Keep Betting On The All Weather

[Cav]

Last week’s “accumulator” coup pointed plenty of attention All Weather Racing’s way, plenty of it negative. “All bent”, “Rancid”, “Garbage” etc… familiar cries to those of us who like it and who follow it. Nevermind, we’re more or less anesthetized to that now.

Of course the coups alleged perpetrator, Barney “The Great Struggler” Curley, received plaudits from all the usual quarters. Two Curley lionization pieces, from blokes who know more about racing then I have forgotten, blokes who should know better imo, can be found here…..

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What is it about us Bananalander’s and our penchant for gombeenism? Why do we still get misty eyed over the cute hoor? This is a jurisdiction where people like Michael Lowry and Sean Quinn, proven corrupt and criminal, are folk-hero’s, legends. It’s not like taxpayers of which I assume the aforementioned are two, don’t have 67 billion (and counting) reasons to call this nonsense what it is, and that’s before you even get into the negative story it imparts on our sport.

Anyway, away from all that, the <i>big</i> message here is……<i>don’t</i> get carried away with the no crowd…..<i>don’t</i> let the exchanges make you paranoid…..<i>keep</i> betting on the all weather racing, it’s a lovely, lovely, betting medium.

You see with the UK all weather racing, even a chimpanzee can make dough…..

2013-14 BHA Top Rated All Weather Handicaps (aka Couldn’t Be Simpler system v.1)
487-2869 = 16.97% <b>+134.39</b> points at BFSP

2013-14 Drawn in Trap 1 – All Weather Handicaps Under a Mile (aka Couldn’t Be Simpler System v.2)
107-831 = 12.88% <b>+170.73</b> points at BFSP

2013-14 Top 2 returned in the betting market – Every All Weather Race (aka Couldn’t Be Simpler System v.3)
1618-5783 = 27.98% <b>+295.34</b> points at BFSP

Three methods, six grand (before commission) for your 10 pound bet, no specialists required here, clover.

You can go a bit deeper, use Proform’s Trainer/Jockey combo ratings, Mike Bailey’s (aka Slippery Toad) hybrid ratings, read+bet+collect with Simon Rowlands and his free sectional horses to follow blog, profitable angles all over the shop! If you’re clever enough to work out what leads and punt on it accordingly, you’ll be wintering with the McManus Gang in sunny Green Monkey Land.

Okay, the aesthetics aren’t there, we probably aren’t too far off saturation point with it and it does have its “characters”, but they are the <i>exception</i> not the rule.

So don’t let Barney and his ilk put you off.

Keep punting on the UK All Weather Racing.

[Purwell]

Sssh! Let them continue losing money on the Bog Trotters.

I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways

[Drone]

To borrow the familiar quote of Phil Bull’s you’re in danger of ‘soiling your own nest’ CR with all that pleading.

Surely the more a betting medium is regarded as bent, dross, garbage blah blah by those punters who know little, the better it is for those punters who know a lot. Keep it quiet, keep it to yourself and keep on punting

[ricky lake]

Cav

2 points ,,,

First your AW analysis is spot on , you can bet on it , you can make money at it , if you work hard enough it is beatable , top man and great post …Im having a bash at Kempton this year

Second , your continued bitterness personal or otherwise is hard to swallow over the Curley coup , so many people loved it , admired it , grudgingly or otherwise

you not only missed the whole point , but missed the boat altogether ,,it was simply a reminder of days gone by , where gambles became folklore especially in Ireland where we both grew up , folklore was and still is an important influence on starry eyed kids who like the notion of having a win at the horses

The days of coups are well gone , they are a rarity , so many systems to overcome in a total 100 per cent pro bookie racing environment , where the funding is based upon handouts from punter losses ….such a shame your hostility and apathy cannot be better used …its bad enough the BHA and others bending to their every wish without having to hear it from a fellow punter as well !!!

Admire this coup , it may be the last one ever pulled

Imo
cheers Fellah

[Glenn]

Not sure of your point Ricky. I’m guessing the general gist of it, and other tributes, is my enemy’s enemy is my friend. The bookmaker being the enemy in this instance.

I don’t buy that, mainly because Curley relies on bookmakers for his modus operandi, so he’s unlikely to ever want to see the back of them. I’m sorry but bloody noses don’t count, they just result in fewer bowels of gruel being handed out to the innocent bystanders. Only a clean knockout blow is worth celebrating.

[ricky lake]

the days of coups are well gone , they are a rarity , so many systems to overcome in a total 100 per cent pro bookie racing environment , where the funding is based upon handouts from punter losses ….such a shame your hostility and apathy cannot be better used …its bad enough the BHA and others bending to their every wish without having to hear it from a fellow punter as well !!!

Admire this coup , it may be the last one ever pulled

The point is , Gambles such as this one are becoming extinct and a lot of the old charm is gone with it

Not so much about Barney , but being able to pull a stroke like this in our digital advance warning signal , lets not lose to punters no matter what happens bookie culture …its a joy to see one landed

simples

[The Ante-Post King]

the days of coups are well gone , they are a rarity , so many systems to overcome in a total 100 per cent pro bookie racing environment , where the funding is based upon handouts from punter losses ….such a shame your hostility and apathy cannot be better used …its bad enough the BHA and others bending to their every wish without having to hear it from a fellow punter as well !!!

Admire this coup , it may be the last one ever pulled

The point is , Gambles such as this one are becoming extinct and a lot of the old charm is gone with it

Not so much about Barney , but being able to pull a stroke like this in our digital advance warning signal , lets not lose to punters no matter what happens bookie culture …its a joy to see one landed

simples

Here here Ricky, When Barney Masterminded this Masterstroke he would have gone through the entries Diary for suitable races for each horse and in a 365 day period I bet he only found a couple of days in the racing calender that would have accomodated those horses marks with trips to suit.We cant underestimate the brilliance of this coup,certainly the best in my lifetime and one that would have been 10 times more valuable had the likes of Bet365 not got the security set up in place that never existed 20yrs ago.The paltry prizemoney on offer had no bearing on this coup,it was strictly all about Singles,doubles,trebles and the Accumulator and thanks to All weather racing for playing its part.

[Cav]

Had a few mails and messages regarding the systems I put up earlier on this thread. Just to deal with them all together….

I put them up more as an illustration of how relatively simple methods with no "information" beyond logic and a daily paper can be profitable despite all the squawking you’ll hear about sand racing and its integrity, rather than anything you can punt on indefinitely with the expectation of profit.

Edges don’t last long these days,

so beware

. But there are plenty of similar angles

if

you put the work in.

Ricky, never had any time for the folklore stuff. The "Sundance Kid" stalking the rails, piling into his latest job horse never did it for me, never will. I’d have been in the Freddie Williams camp for sure. Its a side of Irish life that disgusts me and even more so with the passing of time. It saddens and sickens me to see my honest as the day is long pensioner parents who never had much in the first place, have more and more taken for them in their senior years to pay back the debts of the gombeen men.

Thanks, Drone, wise words indeed.

[stevecaution]

Edges don’t last long these days,

so beware

. But there are plenty of similar angles

if

you put the work in.

If there are plenty of angles and "even a chimpanzee can make dough out of the all-weather", why don’t you post a system of your own devising here, so that we can analyse the success rate of it over a period of time and perhaps get inspiration for a system of our own?

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[ricky lake]

I felt Cav”s reply was a political rant at the Ireland situation , and not much to do with Barney;s coup / the all weather !!

Still Im sure he will get round to it one day

Jan and Feb are pretty horrible for the aw , just been looking at the veritable feast of class 7 on offer in Kempton this Wed and Thurs …its truly horrid , but that’s the fare on offer for us punters , take it or leave it !!!

Roll on the Craven ,

If you are betting and winning on class 7 races , then good luck to you , …I cant figure it out myself ….mind you the market speaks volumes sometimes …..

imo

[Cav]

Yes indeed, Rickster….even that Jamie Reid, High Rollers book didn’t move me. Admittedly I was taken in by The Dog at the start, but the duck egg gambles at York and Newmarket (Sangster colours in a Seller ) soon put me off.

Roll On The Craven

[stevecaution]

I felt Cav”s reply was a political rant at the Ireland situation , and not much to do with Barney;s coup / the all weather !!

Yes, it did come across as not so much a chip on the shoulder, rather a McCain factory.

I’ll leave the beloved dross to the marmosets and gibbons.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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