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    TheOneAndOnlyTonyMcCoy
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    Well, what do we do?
    Just want to see who you fancy in the boylesports.com International Hurdle.
    Im going to stick with my friend katchit, but am i making the wrong decision??
    Please help!!

    #130553
    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    Personally, i think you are making the correct choice.

    Katchit would be my selection if i was going to have a bet.

    However, i am not having a bet, too many ifs or buts. It’s a race to me which throws up more questions than answers.

    I will happily watch, it is a race which is looking great, a really good line-up.

    #130555
    Avatar photoCharlie D
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    FWIW

    Katchit win and place lay – looked a promising hurdler, but i think LTO showed he’s not quite up to this standard

    Sublimity win lay – i could be wrong, but my thinking is CH fell into his lap and i’mm willing to pay to find out

    #130556
    stilvi
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    You might want to correct the spelling?

    I can’t see anything wrong with sticking by Katchit. Some people were very quick to rule him out after Newcastle – almost as if they wanted him to fail? Tomorrow should give a far better indication of his chances next March. That is unless they go a complete dawdle. I am quite surprised Afsoun is shorter in the market and for me Sublimity has not gone to the well enough times to be an obvious winner.

    #130558
    TheOneAndOnlyTonyMcCoy
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    That’s what i was wondering. I think Katchit is a proven horse that can compete with the best. Well i will put my feet up and watch it, hope it runs a gooden! :D

    Thanks you three for your views

    #130560
    Flash
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    Between Sublimity and Macs Joy for me. Can’t touch Katchit, not good enough a good novice with no scope who we’ve probably seen the best of.

    Todays times suggest the ground wasn’t that quick, certainly no quicker than Sublimity won on in the Champion Hurdle. If he’s fit he’ll go close.

    Mac’s Joy is receiving weight, that should see him go close if near his best as well.

    Afsoun will stay on but my worry is he lacks a bit of pace at the minimum trip. Would be my third choice but I think Sublimity and Macs Joy are the big two here.

    Straw Bear would be the only other one I’d consider but Sublimity, Macs Joy and Afsoun are all going to have to run half a stone below their best to give him a chance of winning unless he leaves his previous form behind.

    #130563
    Avatar photoCharlie D
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    . I am quite surprised Afsoun is shorter in the market

    I’m not, as Afsoun’s run in Ascot Hurdle, his run in CH is better than anything Katchit has shown

    #130568
    stilvi
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    . I am quite surprised Afsoun is shorter in the market

    I’m not, as Afsoun’s run in Ascot Hurdle, his run in CH is better than anything Katchit has shown

    To compare like with like: Afsoun never looked likely to win a Triumph but Katchit absolutely bolted up. Afsoun has a poor win-to-run ratio, can get very edgy and appeared to me to have a very hard race last time. I don’t know whether Afsoun has a higher rating but if he does that may have something to do with the relative stages of their careers.

    #130569
    Mounty
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    Well, what do we do?
    Just want to see who you fancy in the boylesports.com International Hurdle.
    Im going to stick with my friend katchit, but am i making the wrong decision??
    Please help!!

    Don’t back either but lay Katchit for a place.

    #130573
    Avatar photoCharlie D
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    stilvi

    Katchit is being over – rated because of his wide margin wins as a Novice, but they are 3/4/5 lengths short of what is required here, just like they were short of what was required at Newcastle

    I’m not sure Afsoun can win, but i’m fairly confident Katchit can’t and fairly confident he can’t place either, if Afsoun, Macs Joy, Straw Bear , Sublimity run their races

    #130574
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    Osana is the likely fly in the ointment in my opinion. 2nd to very progressive Sizing Europe in Greatwood, conceding 6lb to the winner on what was a very encouraging seasonal debut. His novice form is being over looked by most.

    Sublimity is a worthy favourite. He appears most effective on undulating courses so not surprising his seasonal bow is made back at the scene of his famous victory. I am of the opinion that people underestimate Sublimity because of connections decision not to run the gelding prior to or following his champion hurdle victory.

    It would be great to see Macs Joy land it but he appears the most exposed of the top rated hurdlers. I cannot have Katchit, was much superior to quite a moderate bunch of juvenile hurdlers last season and is simply not good enough judging by his Newcastle performace. Afsoun is likely to struggle for pace and there is a possibility he will be feeling the effects from a hard race behind Hardy Eustace.

    Verdict: Osana E/W

    #130576
    Cian
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    People are under-estimating Katchit’s run at Newcastle.
    He was beat by two battle hardened (not the best term to describe the winner) hurdlers and not by that far on his first run out of his novice years. He is open to improvement so should not be as easily dismissed as he has.

    #130577
    Avatar photoCharlie D
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    People are under-estimating Katchit’s run at Newcastle.
    He was beat by two battle hardened (not the best term to describe the winner) hurdlers and not by that far on his first run out of his novice years. He is open to improvement so should not be as easily dismissed as he has.

    Cian

    He should have improved from Aintree to Newcastle, he didn’t and thats why he was beaten by battle hardened Al Eile and Harchibald, horses who are probably in the same league as Afsoun, Macs Joy, Straw Bear etc

    #130593
    trackside528
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    I think Katchit is a proven horse that can compete with the best.

    All he has proven is that he can thrash a bunch of 4yo’s. How that defines him as "competing with the best" I am not quite sure.

    Put in his place the last time and can’t see much improvement forthcoming myself, given his lack of physical scope and the fact he’s been on the go a hell of a long time- since his 2yo days, in fact..

    #130595
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    You stick to Katchit mate……….as I keep telling people he wasn’t anywhere near right first time out despite that he ran a decent race…………Top of the hill he goes and nothing will catch him.

    To all sublimity fans who I may have offened:-

    I have been pretty hard on Sublimity and went back to have another look at his runs before he won the Champion Hurdle. He was 1/3 fav and won as expected.

    The time before was well beaten:- If you get the chance take a look on ATR. When they are turning for home there is little doubt he went lame in that race…Maybe some of you knew that already, I never…..you can see Carberry glancing downwards at his feet and immediately easing him……..at which point actually hapenned I have no idea but he was still going very well at the 2nd last………..On reflection they probably based his SP in the Champion on that run and had he won that day I doubt if he would have been the outsider he was…Having said all that in the Champion itself going to the last you would have thought he was going to win by a distance……….but once he used his acceleration to hit the front and hit the rising ground he became unbalanced, was bouncing up and down on the one spot and looked like had anything come at him he would have folded like a pack of cards…..I simply can’t believe there is not a better horse than him around…whether Katchit is or not remains to be seen.

    #130625
    Sunshine Street
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    On what basis is Katchit open to improvement? His level of ability is well known. He was an exceptional 4 year old but taking on older horses is a totally different matter which he and Detroit City both illustrated.

    #130628
    apracing
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    You stick to Katchit mate……….as I keep telling people he wasn’t anywhere near right first time out

    This much repeated claim would carry more credibility if you were aware that Newcastle was his second run of the season – he’d already won at Aintree.

    AP

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