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  • #238714
    Karinga Bay
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    I’ve been looking at this again as I’m guessing it is going to get too firm for Paco Boy and they will pull him out. It looks very competitive for me, I have a nagging doubt about Scenic Blast getting home – may be completely wrong, but it makes his odds too short for me. I tend to agree with RedRiot and think it may be worth sticking with Art Connoisseur, I’ve checked back over last 20years on 3yo Golden Jubilee/ Cork and Orrery winners who have tried to follow up in this race…
    1989 Danehill 3rd at evens,
    1991 Polish Patriot 1st at 6-1,
    1993 College Chappel 2nd at 9-4,
    1994 Owington 1st at 3-1,
    2008 Kinsgate Native 5th at 6-1 (btn 1.5 lengths)
    (apologies if I have made any mistakes!)…. so a decent (though limited)record.

    #238716
    Karinga Bay
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    Scenic Blast- rather than "getting home" I mean to say that he may not be as effective here.

    #238727
    batman
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    i love when i see Johny Murtagh on a 25-1 Kings Apostle, is it worth a small each way bet………??

    #238749
    Anonymous
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    I still fancy Scenic Blast and the 7/4 looks a fair price… unfortunately drink got the better of me a couple of days ago and I backed JJ the Jet plane ew at 10/1, but hopefull with good reason.

    I had been looking for somehing to back EW that might beat SB but he was so impressive at Ascot I found it hard to imagine anything beating him.

    One worry was Paco Boy who just keeps winning but this surter trip is a huge worry but then so was the mile that said he wouldn’t get.

    The fact it might be a bit short for him and the ground could also be a bit too fast put me off him. It could be a bit too far for SB which makes it interesting but I doubt if SB’s trainers is too worried about this trip.

    The one I come up with, JJ the Jet Plane may be better than he looked at Ascot.

    Despite the hype about him being a flying machine he never at any point looked at home at Ascot. He looked beat to me after 3f and I can’t believe that as good as he is.

    There was just nothing there, certainly not sparkle and tenacity like he had shown in the videos I watched.

    I think we might see him lead from start to finish here and a lot more use made of him.

    That hoefully won’t suit Scenic Blast or Ast C who come from behind. Hopefully a stonger pace will catch them out and JJTJP lasts home.

    #238802
    nitro
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    Guess it’s a long time ago since we got 10-1 for Takeover Target. I think he’s still good enough to win the race. Would be a nice way to end his great carreer. Good luck everybody!

    #238818
    yorkshirepudding
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    acien regime , if he was with another stable he would be allot shorter and the stable seem too be coming right…

    #238837
    ARWalsh
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    Well the draw’s not done this race any good at all. Paco Boy, Scenic Blast, Prime Defender, Art Connoisseur and JJ the Jet Plane have been drawn 1-5 respectively. I’d argue all day long that the only horse apart from those 5 with a genuine chance is African Rose from Stall 11.

    I really do think Prime Defender is going to win this.

    Frankly I’d feel I didn’t have value if i got 85/1 on PD getting in the first three

    #238839
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    Frankly my dear I don’t give a damn.

    #238840
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    I’ve been looking at this again as I’m guessing it is going to get too firm for Paco Boy and they will pull him out. It looks very competitive for me, I have a nagging doubt about Scenic Blast getting home – may be completely wrong, but it makes his odds too short for me. I tend to agree with RedRiot and think it may be worth sticking with Art Connoisseur, I’ve checked back over last 20years on 3yo Golden Jubilee/ Cork and Orrery winners who have tried to follow up in this race…
    1989 Danehill 3rd at evens,
    1991 Polish Patriot 1st at 6-1,
    1993 College Chappel 2nd at 9-4,
    1994 Owington 1st at 3-1,
    2008 Kinsgate Native 5th at 6-1 (btn 1.5 lengths)
    (apologies if I have made any mistakes!)…. so a decent (though limited)record.

    2003 Choisir 2nd
    2004 Fayr Jag 13th
    2006 Les Arcs 1st

    Not sure about pre-2003.

    #238859
    Karinga Bay
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    I was just looking at 3yos record really in relation to Art Connoisseur…. Keep changing my mind on this (if Paco Boy doesn’t run that is)..too many ifs and buts, so might end up having couple of small bets on outsiders. Equiano and Ancien Regime.

    #238866
    Avatar photoMDeering
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    Scenic Blast trades at 5/4 over here and the tote are heavily promoting his price as "overs"!!!

    Given the record of Australian sprinters at both the 6 furlong Ascot and 6 furlong July courses, it’s just not a price worth backing.

    My vote goes to Main Aim. Sired by a July Cup winner, easier conditions underfoot are preferred vs. Ascot, in which he ran well anyway. 14/1 is very generous.

    #238890
    RedRiot
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    My vote goes to Main Aim. Sired by a July Cup winner, easier conditions underfoot are preferred vs. Ascot, in which he ran well anyway. 14/1 is very generous.

    He made the final two on my shortlist, 14’s does indeed look masssive, he has done well over the shorter distances while not facing the best there he has done it in impressibve fashion none the less.

    May back him just for the value.

    Main Aim – Art Conissieur for me.

    #238908
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    Think the value horses are Paco Boy at 5’s but am a little worried about the form of the stable.

    Also Art Connoirsseur at 12’s.

    Hope there is a good pace on here, Euiano and JJ the likely pace setters, but a lot are hold up horses.

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    #238929
    Avatar photoBosranic
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    It will be very interesting to see how this race unfolds with the fancied runners drawn low:

    Paco Boy 1
    Scenic Blast 2
    Art Connossieur 4
    J J The Jet Plane 5

    Main Aim is interesting drawn high, but Paco was all over him at todays distance in the Queen Anne and, unless the draw plays a significant part, I can’t see him reversing the form.

    Oasis Dream has been enjoying a fantastic week and it would be the icing on the cake if Main Aim could emulate his sire, who enjoyed his finest hour when landing this prize in 2003.

    Equiano and Takeover Target should ensure a good pace for all (drawn 7 and 8, respectively) and the afforementioned, low drawn quartet should benefit from this.

    Art Connossieur is over-priced and, like Paco Boy and J J,he’ll benefit from the fast pace and stiff, uphill finish.

    Paco Boy proved beyond doubt at Royal Ascot that he stays a mile. He was tiring at the end of that race, however, and I still think he can prove just as effective at this trip. He’ll travel as good as anything in the race, but I have a niggling doubt that the draw will not play to his strengths. I would consider him the one to beat if drawn more central.

    There’s little doubt that Scenic Blast is the one to beat under the conditions, but the fate of Australian runners in the race has been an intriguing read and, in such a good contest, it’s worth looking elsewhere.

    I like the look of J J at the current odds. He travels well and possesses an awesome cruising speed at this trip. He’s looked for all the world like a step up in trip would do him no harm and I think he’ll come into his own up the hill.

    I’ll take the South African star to beat Scenic Blast and Art Connossieur.

    #238942
    Avatar photoGoldikova
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    I’ve settled for Scenic Blast as main bet, followed by JJTJP at 9/1 e/w and Prime Defender at 100/1 e/w.

    Scenic Blast is an obvious choice, JJTJP should come on from Ascot and distance should suit. I don’t think we saw it’s true self LTO.

    Prime Defender merely because of it being easily over priced, and trainer and Jockey are a plus.

    I’m not a great deal confident to be honest. It just feels like one of those days. Come on you Scenic Blast !!! :P

    #238951
    Bulwark
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    Have just had a small go on Prime defender e/w @ 100-1 and Main Aim to win @16-1.

    #238955
    RedRiot
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    Queally must be loving his luck at these big sprints gets off one and onto another, Main Aim has rescued me there don’t think the interference cost him. Scenic Blast very disappointing run, Europe clearly come into it at 6f.

    Fleeting Spirit is in very impressive form, after cutting down Scenic Blast at Ascot has gone underrated and unnoticed.

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