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authorized has proved he isn’t just a one trick pony! he is probably the best horse i’ve ever saw (im only young lol)
really excited to see the arc now i think he could do it, he seems to improve after every run!
he is booked to go to the darley stud when he has retired, will be following his progeny closely!- Total Posts 17716
I agree with Aidan that Dylan Thomas is a better horse on faster ground – DT’s trainer clearly thinks so too, and I don’t recall him needing ratings to prove it?
I love Authorized to bits but, imo, the result would have been difficult to call on faster ground.- Total Posts 17716
Incidentally, Prufrock, your ratings don’t seem to take into account the fact that Dylan Thomas is still improving – as illustrated by much of his form on adverse ground this season, and emphasisied by the position of Notnowcato, (On ground that favoured the latter), on Tuesday.
I agree with Aidan that Dylan Thomas is a better horse on faster ground – DT’s trainer clearly thinks so too, and I don’t recall him needing ratings to prove it?
I love Authorized to bits but, imo, the result would have been difficult to call on faster ground.The result would be impossible to call on faster ground, simply because PCH will never run Authorized on it!
Mike
That’s because I use ratings – arrived at independently and as objectively as possible – to prove the effectiveness or otherwise of a horse on the ground, not by making assumptions the other way round.
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That’s because I use ratings – arrived at independently and as objectively as possible – to prove the effectiveness or otherwise of a horse on the ground, not by making assumptions the other way round.
So anyone who doesn’t agree with your ratings is being assumptive and isn’t being objective?
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21 Aug 2007 York (10Gd,RPR128)
He has run a blinder but is really a fast ground horse. He couldn’t pick up as well as he can on this ground – Aidan O’Brien, trainer. (ref Dylan Thomas)
‘Nuff said, I believe.
Fortunately ballydoyle have no record at all of using excuses for beaten horses so i am sure we can take that at face value….
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Clivex
Try this then!
09 Sep 2006 Leopardstown (10GF,RPR128)
This horse just loves fast ground. He was electric on it in the Irish Derby and while he was more workmanlike today, he has got a bit laid back. Kieren Fallon, jockeyAnd if that isn’t enough, read the form properly rather than taking the ratings at face value.
If he isn’t a better horse on fast ground, then I will take up knitting? 
Dylan Thomas’s very best form is on good and good to firm ground if you look at race times rather than official going descriptions. That said he has almost as good form on good to soft. I think its a bit of a myth that Dylan Thomas needs to hear his hooves rattle, he handles most ground well enough he probably just doesn’t want really soft ground.
I have D.Thomas down, in my mind, as a 125-ish horse. Am I under-rating him at all?
DT over 1m4 on good ground is every bit as good and possibly better than either of those two.
It’s a testament to his ability that he has done well when being campaigned poorly. If DT was to take on Authorized on good ground without cut, I know who I’d be on. DT’s problem in terms of people’s assessment of him is that he’s a galloper rather than a quickener like Authorized and that style of racing isn’t appealing. Put him on a track with no rain over 1 and a half miles and he’d have the measure of any horse in trainingDT over 1m4 on good ground is every bit as good and possibly better than either of those two.
It’s a testament to his ability that he has done well when being campaigned poorly. If DT was to take on Authorized on good ground without cut, I know who I’d be on. DT’s problem in terms of people’s assessment of him is that he’s a galloper rather than a quickener like Authorized and that style of racing isn’t appealing. Put him on a track with no rain over 1 and a half miles and he’d have the measure of any horse in trainingI don’t agree with that. I have Dylan Thomas at 127 at his very best. (Near enough Cormack lol).
That puts him at his very best just behind Manduro and its fifty – fifty him and Authorized. But bear in mind Authorized is only a three year old and probably still improving and should run to a higher mark when going back up to twelve furlongs. The improving thing is unproven granted but its a possibility I think you have to bear in mind. Dylan Thomas now looks pretty much exposed.
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I wouldn’t write off Dylan Thomas yet as exposed or not improving.
Apart from the 3l he found on Notnowcato on very similar ground to the Tattersalls GC, he has run some remarkable races since his Ganay romp, all on ground not in his favour, (Unless you disbelieve both his trainer and his jockey).
As it stands, he is undefeated on his favoured ground since the Derby, (Actually run on good ground, rather than g/f), has lately only given best to the top class Authorized and Manduro on ground in their favour, and has yet to meet again the fast-ground 12f which saw him turn the Irish Derby into a procession.
Authorized is almost certainly better at 12f, and may well improve between now and the Arc but, if that race is run on fast ground, which it is more often than going descriptions would have you believe, he will bloody well have to, and some.
For what it is worth, and rating without taking account of conditions is madness imo, he is a good 131 horse in the right circumstances, and will hopefully get the chance to prove so before this season is out
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