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I hate to knock the lad, but he has just ridden two horrendous races on Ernest Hemingway and Magician. Is it time Ballydoyle called a halt?
Joey probably falls for the hype, such and such are the best we’ve ever trained and rides it like a wonder horse, thinks it can recover win from anywhere.
I think they possibly underestimated Gentildonna on her defeat last year to St Nicholas Abbey, the horse had a prep this year and ran much better/fitter/improved for the run.
I hope Richard Hughes is ok, took a horrible fall.?Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Did Ryan Moore then ride a shocker on Giovanni balding. Obrien could have gone right round the field on magician but whether he would have been any nearer is anybody’s guess. Too many people like to blame the jockey when on the day the horses were either not good enough or didn’t like the surface . I’d wait till the ballydoyle horses run again before to see if it wasn’t fitness that be at them. Obrien rode what looked like the perfect race on ruler of the world who then finished tamely. All about opinions.
Time to let this old canard die.Not gona happen.Looked like a trainer trike how close to the ground were his feet when out of the irons.
So many inconsistencies on here. Jockey gets criticised on a regular basis but rarely anything about the trainer. Doesn’t he have something to do with preparation and tactics? Most of the stable’s runners haven’t looked like being competitive then suddenly faced with probably the best backed horse of the Irish Flat season so far look what happens. Add in all the ante-post money down the drain on War Command and bookmakers are probably still toasting the ‘listen’ merchant.
Can we open a book?
Which O’Brien maiden winner will first be labelled "The best we’ve had" by AOB himself?
Lovely odds on double for the listen man today. More champagne for the bookmakers courtesy of the Ballydoyle maestro.
Is it correct Johan Strauss drifted from 1/4 to 4/5? That’s quite a drift for a 111 rated horse in a maiden.
With a couple of blue bloods on show yesterday at Leopardstown, speed figure wise the meeting was a disaster, I had the going allowance at
-0.97s/f
(heavy) and the top speed figure on the day was
Conan´s Rock 70
which would have been good for a
class 5
race.
Not a good day for Coolmore
Is it correct Johan Strauss drifted from 1/4 to 4/5? That’s quite a drift for a 111 rated horse in a maiden.
He actually went down to 1/5 after the withdrawal of Table Rock. On course, he went from 2/5 to 4/5.
AOB said something about Johann Strauss being around 80% and would be held up and not knocked about too much given it was his first run of the season and that it was jumping ground underfoot.
Still a shocking ride from JOB.
I’m wondering if we should just keep the JOB "bashing" to this thread rather than start new ones when they’re inevitably called for.
Hate to be too harsh on the lad as he isn’t wholly without talent. That being said, I don’t think we’ll ever see another record breaking dual champion with such a penchant for fluster in our lifetimes… Unless perhaps there’s a Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo O’Brien waiting in the stars.
I think you can’t really blame the jockey when his mount drifts so alarmingly in the betting.
He was given instructions which he probably followed to the letter. I personally think the way the Kingsbarns and Johann Strauss ran was embarrassing for the industry as a whole. Had it been a smaller trainer they would no doubt be hauled infront of stewards and probably banned or fined.
Anyone backing Ballydoyle horses at this time of year knows the risks involved with doing so. The races that the two horses in question have run have probably put them spot on for later and bigger targets. The days that really matter to the operation.
Joseph has a remarkably old head on young shoulders, he shows no signs of the pressures he is under, with keeping his weight under control and holding down one of the biggest and most challenging jobs in racing. Everybody makes mistakes and that can only be expected as we are all human.
Ballydoyle would not still be using him if he wasn’t up to the job.
Young Mike
Very interesting mood swing from: The Ballydoyle trainer might expect to be warned off if he did not have the total support of the powers that be while poor Joseph has to bear the burden of it all! Quite frankly I am lost. Mr.O’Brien junior makes Rhyan Moore look like a motor mouth.He seems overwhelmed with the burden imposed on this child,(I believe he was sixteen when Move-over-Murtagh happened) by his stage struck daddy.How does one explain to his boss how he got beaten on two odds on favs. the same day?It took Kinane and Murtagh years to figure out Leopardstown and Joseph is expected to learn it in a couple of maturing years? Jockeys have to learn to be jockeys.Is somebody setting the kid up to fail? After each race he goes straight to the "authorized" talking points for that horse who was just defeated.A Lester Piggot like hesitation interview and then silence.The First Family of Racing is an ongoing drama which we watch from the gallery.We envy their power while we gloat when their well laid plans go astray.
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