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Guilty of all charges and Paul John guilty too, not what racing wants on the eve of the festival
Trainers and jockeys need a reminder what might happen if they step out of line.
They’ve got it.Value Is EverythingWho do you think will get the longest ban? I would go:
2/5 Jim Best
9/4 Maria SharapovaMike
Is what Boyle did any different to what any number of trainers do on a daily basis?
The only way the majority of stables can make ends meet is to “plot up” horses in order to make money betting them when they are well handicapped.
Until prize money is increased to a level that allows the majority to make a reasonable living out fo the game, this sort of thing will continue to go on, with the majority of offenders going unpunished. Moving away from a race calendar that is overly reliant on handicaps is also an idea – removing the medium in which cheating can flourish. Oh, and a tote monopoly would also help.
Best will need to live as long as Methusaleh to serve the ban. Can I’ve some of that 2/5, Mike?
Best will need to live as long as Methusaleh to serve the ban. Can I’ve some of that 2/5, Mike?
You certainly can Joe. Simply mail your account number and sort code to:
Betlarge (Overseas) Pty
Jonathan Goodluck Avenue
LAGOS 25001
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Mike
I like the idea of having more claiming races and less handicaps. Claimers have never really been popular with owners and trainers though. Even the terminology used (‘unfriendly claims’) makes it sound not quite cricket to claim one. But it’d keep the game cleaner wouldn’t it, if they knew that one held up out the back could get snapped up from under their feet.
Claimers are boring and far less competitive than handicaps.
Some TRFers might – but overall British punters would not bet as much on Claimers.
The current handicap system works fine.
Value Is EverythingClaimers are boring and far less competitive than handicaps.
Some TRFers might – but overall British punters would not bet as much on Claimers.
The current handicap system works fine.
I agree, hard to see how someone could advocate more claimers looking at the ones we currently have.
I can certainly see a case for a form of graded racing instead of many of the handicaps but as ivanjica points out many of racing ills are from being dependent on bookmakers.
A Tote/Exchange monopoly would be exciting for both punters and racing, instead we have bookmakers who wont lay 2 bananas to a banana and don’t give anywhere near enough money to racing. Bookmakers bad for punters, bad for racing.
Claimers are boring and far less competitive than handicaps.
Some TRFers might – but overall British punters would not bet as much on Claimers.
The current handicap system works fine.
I agree, hard to see how someone could advocate more claimers looking at the ones we currently have.
I can certainly see a case for a form of graded racing instead of many of the handicaps but as ivanjica points out many of racing ills are from being dependent on bookmakers.
A Tote/Exchange monopoly would be exciting for both punters and racing, instead we have bookmakers who wont lay 2 bananas to a banana and don’t give anywhere near enough money to racing. Bookmakers bad for punters, bad for racing.
Under what grounds are you allowing exchange betting whilst banning “bookmakers” Yeats?
One of the reasons why bookmakers can not pay much more is because they’ve got to be able to compete with exchanges.
Value Is EverythingUnder what grounds are you allowing exchange betting whilst banning “bookmakers” Yeats?
One of the reasons why bookmakers can not pay much more is because they’ve got to be able to compete with exchanges.
What was their excuse pre-exchanges?
It would be a Tote/Exchange solely for benefit of racing, it could be just a Tote monopoly. You would be an absolutely ideal punter for a Tote monopoly Gingertipster.
A lot of this cheating with horses in handicaps and getting big prices when they’re “ready” would be eliminated as the cheaters would just get the same price as other punters with a Tote monopoly. There would be far less incentive to cheat without bookmakers.
A lot of this cheating with horses in handicaps and getting big prices when they’re “ready” would be eliminated as the cheaters would just get the same price as other punters with a Tote monopoly. There would be far less incentive to cheat without bookmakers.
Don’t know how you think it would “eliminate the cheaters” Yeats, how do you stop them taking “big prices” on exchanges?
Value Is Everythingnever thought i would even think about going down the lines of a tote monopoly,but i suppose at least you could get on.
The downside i suspect would be for the each way players,but cant be no worse than being able to get on.
Exchanges are fine an hour before a race(a bit earlier on saturdays/festival meetings)
I can but hope that one firm will grow some b alls and lay a bet and trust their odds compilers(if they still exist)
Should be interesting a tote monopoly for my boxing bets.lolWhat was their excuse pre-exchanges?
When I were a lad bookies only used to give “Early Odds” in a few races if I was lucky, and that mostly on Saturdays. These Early Odds markets had greater over-rounds than they do now. With incresed competition from both more bookmakers and exchanges… over-rounds are very small in Early Odds markets. Punters are also (on average) much better informed these days. This all means the percentage of profit on horse racing has dropped and – when profit margins are smaller – bookies need to restrict or close more accounts and can not pay much more in levy without losing competitivness/trade to exchanges.
ie It was less of a problem pre-exchanges.
Value Is EverythingThe amount of skulduggery in British racing is exaggerated by losing punters. They don’t want to believe backing the wrong horses is their own fault.
Value Is Everythingwould still be nice to get on now and then,as said pervious could get more on in the 80s than you can now.
You could turn it around ginger and say people only get on when they are losers,but even though dont get on if the ‘beat the odds'(even though the books have set those oddsIf you have a tote monopoly how do you get multiple bets on ?
I am an advocate of tote monopoly in some respects but someone somewhere has to make a stand and say that racing is run for racing and not for bookmakers!!
Similarly football has to be run for football and not for SKY !!
I don’t know what the solution is but surely it has to be the dog wagging the tail and not vice versa!
And finally as far as getting on is concerned it has certainly become more challenging nowadays but that is half the fun!!
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