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It’s Starmer’s job to call for Johnson to resign, but….

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    Gingertipster
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    Covid – whether lockdown or not – has caused a lot of problems for businesses.
    So too has the Ukraine / Russia war.
    The World’s economy has been in meltdown.
    …And that on top of Brexit.
    I believe Brexit will work out best in the long run or even if not I’d rather have our own rules. The transition period was never going to be easy for some businesses.
    That said there is no doubt in my mind Starmer’s soft (heavy) Brexit, customs union / single market would’ve been worse and his Lockdown attitude worse still.
    So the country would be in a worse economic situation under Starmer.

    When the economic situation is because of war and covid and transitional brexit – when these things are over I can see a quick return to fairly good prosperity.

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    Quite a bit on social media today about Keir Starmer’s refusal to sanction Labour MPs joining the picket line signalling a move in the wrong direction for his Party.

    I seem to remember a lot of this sort of thing said about Tony Blair and his New Labour project on the run up to 1997.

    Taking “the left” (that’s left of me, btw, for the benefit of any unreconstructed right wing Tories looking in) for granted, because they’ve no other meaningful place to go, and focussing on getting floating voters who went Tory last time is the only way Labour ever beats the Conservatives.

    Starmer has been distinctly unimpressive in Parliament lately, but I don’t see what other strategic option he has over the Thomas The Tank Engine wants a pay rise issue.

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    #1603546
    Gladiateur
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    Starmer has been pathetic of late.

    But he’s still infinitely better than Bozo.

    #1603547
    IanDavies
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    True and truer.

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    #1603768
    He Didnt Like Ground
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    While it was expected they,d lose both seats surely the size of the defeat in both is going to start getting some Tory asses twitching ..

    #1603769
    IanDavies
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    It’s a difficult one – it’s very easy for opponents of the Tories to get incredibly excited by this, but we’ve seen these mid-term punitive “messages” before and even though the scale in Tiverton & Honiton is huge and unprecedented it wouldn’t be the biggest shock to see it reversed at the next election.

    The Tories remain 1.9 at Betfair to win most seats at said next election, but they are 3.95 to win a majority and I think that increasingly unlikely.

    The strength of the SNP suggests to me Labour will find it hard to win most seats and odds of 5.1 about them actually securing a majority looks a terrible bet to me.

    And I’m a Labour voter!

    Johnson won’t ever resign in the interests of his Party or the government – his interests being his sole concern – he’d have to be forced out so he will shrug this off….and on we will stagger!

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    ‘Johnson won’t ever resign in the interests of his Party or the government’

    Or indeed the country and its people which is, let’s not forget, is what and who politicians are supposed to be here for.

    One one had these are good results but I do fear what desperate rubbish they are going to come out with now. How much lower can they go from the despicable Rwanda plan for example? We may be about to find out.

    I expect there are more than few Tory heads thinking ‘we really need this liability gone but who the **** do we replace him with?’. To be honest the only reason he’s still there now is becuase the answer to that question is pretty difficult to come up with.

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    Watching PMQs this week, it was noticeable that when Johnson was having a go at Starmer and criticising the rail strike, lots of Conservative backbenchers were just sitting there in silence with their arms folded. Very few were cheering or waving their order papers.

    To borrow a footballing phrase, he looked like a manager who had lost the dressing room.

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    Well, we know for a fact he has lost 41% of the dressing room.

    Alan Shearer, when commenting on a Jose Mourinho managerial exit, said in the modern game you can only fall out with so many players before it becomes cheaper for the Club to get rid of you, not those you’ve fallen out with.

    Johnson’s getting there for sure.

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    Cork All Star
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    Looking at the Tiverton by-election, I suppose the Conservatives will be favourites to win the seat at the General Election – but I would not be in a hurry to take a short price.

    The Conservatives lost a lot of by-elections in the 1992-97 Parliament and did not win any of them at the 1997 election. It took quite a few years to win some of them again.

    The West Country does seem to like its legendary Liberal by-election wins: Torrington, North Devon etc. Now we can add Tiverton to the list.

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    Looking at the Tiverton result more closely, it is striking how Labour polled about 10,000 fewer votes than it did in the General Election. It looks like there has been a huge tactical switch to the Liberals, joined by some floating voters who voted Conservative last time.

    Based on turn out, it is clear that a lot of Conservative voters made their own protest by staying at home.

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    Gingertipster
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    As a now West Country voter: If I was voting in a by-election right now I’d vote Liberal even though am Conservative. Just to give Johnson a kick up the backside and encourage Tory MPs to elect a new leader… I can only do that knowing there is not going to be any change in the colour of government.

    However, in a General Election voting a yellow Liberal in would help red Labour form the next government. Especially as Ed Davy says there is no way they’d be in a Conservative Liberal coalition or even allow a minority Conservative government. Starmer leads essentially the same party (same people) that elected a loony left winger as leader. Unlike many a good Labour politician (Benn, Cooper, Eagle etc) their now leader and deputy were willing to sit in Corbyn’s extreme left shadow cabinet. Labour may have changed but not enough. Unlike Blair, Starmer is no centrist.

    There is no way I could vote Liberal in a General Election and expect many West Country By-election Liberal voters feel the same way.

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    “Especially as Ed Davy says there is no way they’d be in a Conservative Liberal coalition or even allow a minority Conservative government.”

    Good lad, Ed.

    The ghost of the odious Nick “I’ll claim I’m more left wing than Labour then get into bed with the Tories” Clegg is finally laid to rest, 12 years on.

    Hold my non-alcoholic beverage, I’m getting my tactical voting boots back on ready for 2024!

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    Cork All Star
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    But Davey was happy to serve in a Conservative dominated Cabinet. And accept a knighthood.

    #1603824
    IanDavies
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    Well, I just hope he sticks to his word.

    I voted Lib Dem tactically in 2010 in the belief they wouldn’t form a coalition with the Tories.

    After they did, I said “never again – the Lib Dems could have lost by a single vote to the Tories and Labour could have lost their deposit and I’m still not voting for them.”

    Not that it makes any difference in Basingstoke – Maria Miller wins by a landslide every time.

    Sir Cherryade of Hampshire
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    Gladiateur
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    I love the way the left is still referred to as “loony”.

    As I assume that it’s due to the alliteration, may I suggest that the right be forever prefixed with the adjective “racist”?

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    Richard88
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    If anyone doesn’t like politicians who lie, are hypocritical or whose word can’t be trusted I have some bad news about the Conservatives.

    Or is it OK when they do it becuase it’s expected of them?

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