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I would not retire him.I would put him with a new trainer and try him back over hurdles.
why a new trainer jonjo is one of the top trainers with the best facilities in racing.
meg xx
A friend asked for gambling advice. I told him look out for Jonjo O’Neill horses being backed, particularly those with form figures 000000 or 98PP86
Hmmm… been reading this post with interest. I think if I was IrisGift1 I’d be sat at home crying over the flak i was getting! There has been quite a lot of criticism thrown around of the way they are playing the game with him.
To be fair he wasn’t necessarily my choice for the GC – but I was on Monkerhostin, look where that got me!! – however the horse jumped OK and came back safe. if they hadn’t given the GC a crack they would always have been wondering what if. If we forget the past couple of blips in the record – the schooling incident being one- if you owned a horse of that class, would you not want to give it a go…?<br>Intrigued to see the next move…!
I think he had far more right to be in the line up than some of the 100/1 + outsiders.
Surely the connections of BOS should be in for a b*ll*cking too… the horse blatently doesnt act round cheltenham in march so why oh why do they keep dragging him over?
Liz (off the soapbox but mighty hungover with a very empty purse… which seemed to empty itself into the nearest bookies and members bar, dreading the thought of having to actually go to work tomorrow….)
IS
whats a Carribean Bar??????
Liz<br>(can’t cope with words more than one sylable at the moment…)
If Iris’s Gift was my horse (like I know) I would run it in class4/3 chases preferably at courses with less demanding fences. If the horse gets the hang of it then test it more and push it up in class, but we don’t know how good it is over fences yet. If it doesn’t get the hang of it over fences next season its not going to. Connections have every right to try with IG.
Quote: from Liz on 7:50 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]IS
whats a Carribean Bar??????
Liz<br>(can’t cope with words more than one sylable at the moment…)<br>
A bar we have at Aintree for when it’s freeeezzzzzing at the National meeting and you want Malibu, Khalua etc. :)
Nonsense EC ~ some of us have been watching racing longer than you think. A year before Bregawn won the GC, he put up a performance of almost equal merit in running second to the great Silver Buck. Dickinson also admits that Silver Buck was wrong coming into the 1983 race and that he was wracked by guilt over running him.
Quote: from FlatSeasonLover on 7:59 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]If Iris’s Gift was my horse (like I know) I would run it in class4/3 chases preferably at courses with less demanding fences. If the horse gets the hang of it then test it more and push it up in class, but we don’t know how good it is over fences yet. If it doesn’t get the hang of it over fences next season its not going to. Connections have every right to try with IG.<br>
<br>FSL – Iris’s Gift is rated 147 over fences, I’d like to know which Class 3/4 chases he will be eligible for next season.
Fair enough happy jack but I was trying to say that sights should be aimed lower for the time being.
EC,
you give the impression that Bregawn was trained radically differently to Iris’s Gift between his "terrible jumping" novice days and his Gold Cup win, but in fact he ran in successive Gold Cups after falling as a novice in the Ritz Club Chase. I don’t dispute that Bregawn was a poor jumper as a novice, and I make no mention of it in my post. He was however aimed at the Cheltenham Festival (Ritz Club Chase, and successive Gold Cups)and raced regularly over fences in each year that Dickinson trained him. What lesson the connections of Iris’s Gift are to learn from this is far from apparent, other than to travel back in time.
For those who don’t remember him, Bregawn was about half the size of Iris’s Gift and a total nutcase. He eventually came to find his own unique style under Graham Bradley and proved top class, if rather mercurial, in his chasing career, frequently refusing to race.
Your constant chippiness is getting a little tiresome, btw. I’m merely sharing in a debate, but I shouldn’t be surprised that you’d overreact.
Quote: from EC on 5:39 pm on Mar. 20,
Good trainers make sure their horses can jump well enough to compete in races they take part in. They also show patience when it is clear a horse is not jumping as well it should be.
<br>Venetia Williams, Misty Dancer, 3.40 Hereford. Just a shame he was short-headed
Its not inconceiveable that eventually iriss Gifts jumping could improve considerably over time.
Fota Island, this years champion chase 2nd, began his chasing career 3 years ago straight from a bumper. i remember his first few chase runs…his jumping was attrocious, the horse had no clue how to negotiate a fence, so much so his trainer had to switch him to hurdles.
The horse that won at Chelt and Aintree last season and ran a cracker at Chelt this season looked a natural jumper, barely putting a foot wrong.
I think the horse deserves a little more time and experience before dismissing him completely as a top class chase prospect.<br>
Quote: from EC on 5:39 pm on Mar. 20, 2006[br]<br>Debate isn’t rubbishing out of hand someone’s view, a clear reason why you don’t agree is quite adequate.<br>
<br>I didn’t rubbish your point of view without justification. I merely pointed out that your post was misleading. Michael Dickinson didn’t give Bregawn a year and some schooling before miraculously winning the Gold Cup. He ran the horse in a competitive handicap at the Festival as a novice, then in the Gold Cup in successive seasons. In that respect your post needed challenging, and I did so by producing appropriate facts.
Your response to this was childish (quote "I haven’t made it up…..why the f would I make it up?" ) and you seem to take any challenge to the gospel of EC as some kind of personal affront. I’d suggest you take any disagreement in the spirit it is intended and be a bit more robust about it. <br>
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