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  • #1719475
    Mike007
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    This horse better than the lot of ’em. Debate over ;-)

    #1719477
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    The fact you are putting forward his beating of Gerri as the best piece of form backs what I’m saying , Gerri isn’t remotely a top staying chaser in the class of the horses we are talking about , even if you believe Kauto wasn’t 100% ( nothing factual backs this ) a 80% Kauto to is better than a 100% Gerri ….No ?

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    #1719479
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    You’ve started in now Mike … Mr Ed ain’t no trigger ..

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    #1719480
    GM23
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    He still beat him 23L and was given a RPR equal to Denmans best.

    Gerri Colombe is good enough to understand beating him by 23L is a bit special.

    #1719482
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Lol GM how far was Gerri beaten last time …13.5 lengths , is Envoi Allen one of the best chasers of all time .. … Sadly while I respect your view the formbook doesn’t back it up , Gerri is a good stayer but Jesus he just beat Ahoy Senor at Aintree , the form book never lies

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    #1719483
    GM23
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    For God sake man, he was found to be wrong after the race and hasn’t been seen since.

    #1719484
    greenasgrass
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    Mr Ed and Trigger didn’t have a cool theme tune- Champion The Wonder Horse beats all.

    #1719485
    greenasgrass
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    “the form book never lies”

    but you can cherry pick it to suit yourself.

    #1719486
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    What about this big black one?

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    #1719487
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    GM stay calm , is Gerri better than a 80% Kauto .. again nothing to show Kauto was wrong at Cheltenham , backed by him running at Aintree , if you watch that GC Sam got Denman into such a rythem that everything struggled , Gerri is a decent horse as I’ve said but we are talking about 2 different classes of horse

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    LD73
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    Outside of Flyingbolt (who’s exploits you could argue were even more impressive than Arkle), Dessie for me has been the best since Arkle.

    He won at all trips (2m to 3m 5f), all ground (good to firm through to heavy), winning under big welter weights (conceeding massive weights all round) and danced every dance and didn’t dodge anyone. I value that type of versatility in a horse a bit more than those that keep to winning level weights races that greatly favour them.

    In one season Dessie won:

    Terry Biddlecombe (2m5f good ground)
    Tingle Creek (2m good ground, carrying 12st top weight conceeding between 18lbs-28lbs to his rivals),
    King George (3m good to firm ground!! – yes shocking I know, how could they allow it),
    Victory Chandler aka Clarence House (2m good ground, carrying 12st top weight conceeding between 22lbs-28lbs to his rivals),
    Gainsborough Chase (3m good ground, carrying 12st top weight conceeding between 7lbs-18lbs)
    Gold Cup (3m2f heavy ground)
    Then went on to fall at Aintree in his 7th run of the season!

    Weight carrying performances are the reasons that Denman (his two Hennessy wins under top weight of 11st 12lbs) resonated more with me than Kauto Star even though the later was clearly the better and more versatile racehorse.

    Burrough Hill Lad (who also won a Hennessy but under 12st) along with a Welsh National, a King George & a Gold Cup is a horse that (to me anyway) doesn’t get the full recognition he deserves and had it not been for leg problems that forced him to miss the 85 and 86 Gold Cup’s, I do think he could have become the first triple Gold Cup winner since Arkle.

    That being said, I would totally agree with Ruby in that GDC is the best Ireland have seen since Arkle. Surely he will have to underperform not to make it the 3 in March.

    #1719489
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    Ohhh Ginge that’s a spanner in the works , hang on I’ve got the winner .. rumour is Mike cashed out when he found out Taylor was down to ride

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    #1719490
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    Great post LD , I’ve mentioned it before but god I miss the top chasers carrying lumps of weight in handicaps , 3 of my all time favs Grey Abbey , Denman and Native River did this , sadly we don’t see this enough now adays

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    #1719491
    greenasgrass
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    You got me there GT, Black Beauty does indeed have the Arkle of theme tunes.

    #1719492
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    He was a bit keen though GG , reckon he,d struggle to get home though

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    #1719495
    greenasgrass
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    Trigger and ChampionTWH conceding a lot of weight to him in the opening credits too.

    #1719497
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    I doubt any thread has taken such a strange tangent in a few years lol , thanks guys , Dads funeral on Friday and this afternoon has helped get through another day waiting for it , shame apart from Afadil I didn’t get a sniff of a winner

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