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how the **** did winker watson get up from there ?

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  • #4614
    sberry
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    shocking start, gave the field bags of lengths, superb finish

    #107538
    Wallace
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    Best horse in the race, ridden by a jockey.

    #107539
    davidjohnson
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    Best horse in the race by far but surely talk of the Guineas is fanciful. He’s entitled to win more this year but hard to think others won’t progress past him and he looks to have little chance of staying on pedigree.

    #107540
    heffo
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    Gave the field 3lb, a head start and the jockey stopped ridng before the line. Still won. :lol:

    #107542
    sberry
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    if i said i wasn’t screaming abuse at the awfulness of the ride i thought it was getting, i’d be lying

    bloody good finish though :)

    #107544
    Flash
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    I don’t see why he wouldn’t get a mile. He’s related to a German Guineas runner up and several of his relatives have run over a mile. His grandsire is Warning who was a Champion miler.

    The way Winker Watson runs he does all his best work in the closing stages. As at Ascot watching todays race you’d swear he wanted further already.

    I think people are way too quick to dismiss horses chances of staying a mile. People did the same with Dutch Art who finished third in the Guineas. Looking at Winker vs Dutch Art at the same stage of their careers Winker looks like he wants further more so than Dutch Art did. I’m not saying Winker Watson will definitely get a mile but no way would I dismiss his chances of doing so.

    Superb performance from him today to win from where he was under a penalty was impressive.

    #107545
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    I thought Winker Watson won like a very good colt. Will he stay a mile – who knows? Will he win next year’s 2000 guineas? History says probably not.

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    #107548
    benbdb
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    history also said horses dont win the norfolk and then this, sometimes history is just wrong! horses are getting more precocious, for better or worse. I’m not saying he will win the guineas just that I wouldnt write him off based on history.

    #107549
    Flash
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    I would never rule any horse out of anything based on history. History said Red Rum wouldn’t win three Grand Nationals, Arkle wouldn’t win three Gold Cups, Nashwan wouldn’t win the Guineas, Derby, Eclipse, King George …………………………………….. etc etc etc

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    Himself
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    I would never rule any horse out of anything based on history. History said Red Rum wouldn’t win three Grand Nationals, Arkle wouldn’t win three Gold Cups, Nashwan wouldn’t win the Guineas, Derby, Eclipse, King George …………………………………….. etc etc etc

    Don’t shoot the messenger? Only relaying some stats.

    Come to think of it, I’m sure history said that it was possible for Arkle to win three Gold Cups. :wink:

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    #107574
    Ugly Mare
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    won well from what look an impossible position. I hear his next outing is likely to be the Prix Morny. I believe a Pascal Bary filly will prove too good for him there and his bubble may be burst a little.

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    Bosranic
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    I think this was a decent, competitive contest that will produce a lot of winners. Winker’s pedigree suggests there’s a good chance he could get a mile.

    His sire Piccolo was a Group1 winning sprinter who didn’t quite stay a mile, but did stay 7F. The dam’s family were and have produced horses that were competitive up to 10F.

    The only downside is that this horse looked quite mature for his age so there may not be as much improvement from him as others and a lot of Piccolo’s (limited) success at stud has been due to the succes of his progeny as 2YOs.

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    Flash
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    I think this was a decent, competitive contest that will produce a lot of winners. Winker’s pedigree suggests there’s a good chance he could get a mile.

    His sire Piccolo was a Group1 winning sprinter who didn’t quite stay a mile, but did stay 7F. The dam’s family were and have produced horses that were competitive up to 10F.

    The only downside is that this horse looked quite mature for his age so they may not be as much improvement from him as others and a lot of Piccolo’s (limited) success at stud has been due to the succes of his progeny as 2YOs.

    I’m not so sure Winker does look that mature. He looked green when he won at Ascot and he was slowly away again today and didn’t look as if his mind was on the job at the stalls.

    I take your point that Winker could be just a two year old but on the other side of the coin Chapple-Hyam’s rarely are : Rodrigo De Triano, Turtle Island etc, Dutch Art.

    It seems Chapple-Hyam thinks Winker will stay a mile, he said the same thing about Dutch Art. Of course its in the balance just how well Dutch Art does stay but its worth noting he stayed well enough to be placed in the Guineas though after a disappointing run at Ascot he now has been dropped back to six furlongs.

    Henrythenavigator and Winker Watson are worthy ante post favourites for the Guineas IMO both look very useful, but its early days yet.

    #107617
    Bosranic
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    I’m not so sure Winker does look that mature. He looked green when he won at Ascot and he was slowly away again today and didn’t look as if his mind was on the job at the stalls.

    I take your point that Winker could be just a two year old but on the other side of the coin Chapple-Hyam’s rarely are : Rodrigo De Triano, Turtle Island etc, Dutch Art.

    It seems Chapple-Hyam thinks Winker will stay a mile, he said the same thing about Dutch Art. Of course its in the balance just how well Dutch Art does stay but its worth noting he stayed well enough to be placed in the Guineas though after a disappointing run at Ascot he now has been dropped back to six furlongs.

    Henrythenavigator and Winker Watson are worthy ante post favourites for the Guineas IMO both look very useful, but its early days yet.

    Some great points. From what we’ve seen thus far, they are worthy favourites. Through a line of form with Swiss Franc, there’s not much between them.

    Peter Chapple Hyam is one of my favourite trainers – enthusiastic, honest and very good at bringing horses along slowly.

    My comment about Winker was in regard to his physical maturity. Some horses are big and weak – he looked quite well developed and I think Francombe even commented about it.

    #107665
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    Precocious types like Winker Watson (terrible name for a prospective classic colt incidentally) usually do not go on to win the 2,000 Guineas. Good as he is at this stage, I certainly won’t be backing him to win that race.

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