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- January 16, 2009 at 01:24 #204181
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.. click on this link, try and work out what exactly it is you think ‘trainer form’ is and then find out if your idea is a good one or not.
No need to try and work it out yourself.
Apart from your last few words you have said nothing about how you would go about making trainer form work for you
.. I hope that is a good starting point for you.
I see, that is all interesting stuff Dave.
Most of it is “trainer information” more than trainers “in form” but interesting anyway. It is trying to show which trainers might be underated, by comparing Betfair SP’s with finishing position, number of runners etc. It does not look for trainers in form (as such); because it does not give an equal standing to any horse who has run to form. When looking at the past a 6/4 or 10/1 shot that wins is worth the same to me as an 8/1 3rd or a 100/1 fifth, if they all have run to form, they count as 3 horses running to form, no more.
I believe one big priced winner can distort things in that table. (imo) Just because a trainer has had big priced winners in the past does not mean he will neccessarily have big priced winners in the future. And just because those in the past from the trainer might have been “value” does not mean any horse in the future will be “value”. As, say there is a horse which the AM trainer info says is from a stable who’s horses are usually under estimated. Does not mean in the race we are looking at, the bookmakers might have over estimated it’s price. But, as I say interesting none the less.
What I am more interested in is finding all those horses who have run to form, so that I can use that information, and all other form analysis. To produce a 100% book. That can then show me what horse is value.
Mark
Value Is EverythingJanuary 16, 2009 at 01:57 #204189Did you even bother to do a custom report ?
.. I don’t know how you can say what you just said ..

It does not look for trainers in form
.. I know it doesn’t that what you need to do with the data. No-one will put anything on a plate for you, the data is there for you to interrogate and analyse. You just have to work out how to do it and Bob’s your Uncle, as they say.
January 16, 2009 at 02:47 #204203Did you even bother to do a custom report ?
.. I don’t know how you can say what you just said ..

It does not look for trainers in form
.. I know it doesn’t that what you need to do with the data. No-one will put anything on a plate for you, the data is there for you to interrogate and analyse. You just have to work out how to do it and Bob’s your Uncle, as they say.
Dave,
You have chosen to leave a very important part part out of that quote,I said "It does not look for trainers in form (as such)". That is totally different to what you are making out.
For what I want, it gives me less information than "Todays Trainers" in the Racing Post. But as I said, interesting information none the less.
Mark
Value Is EverythingJanuary 16, 2009 at 16:29 #204327Trainers form is essential as its a good indication that all is well or more importantly all is not well at a yard. While smaller yards tend to switch in and out of form all the time, I do worry when bigger yards go longish periods and send out more than 20 horses without winning, especially if many aren’t even placing or running well.
Also a yard getting plenty of winners shows that they have got all the horses in rude health and have to be followed until it wears off. For me a n in form yard is a massive plus, whereas an in form jockey to me doesn’t matter that much. - AuthorPosts
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