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When I started following racing, just under twenty years ago, the journalism and analysis was very stale. Geoff Lester types did the journalism and Lester’s equivalent in the race/betting analysis department provided the tips – someone indoctrined to Timeform’s prehistoric paradigm.
Then along came the great Nick Mordin, like a hurricane of fresh air. Gone were the beaten favourite tips on some Timeform top-rated. In their place a completely different, revolutionary, way of viewing the world.
You would have thought that Mordin’s arrival would have left the Timeform wallahs on borrowed time, but 15 years later they’re everywhere, tipping up losers and sending readers to sleep.
What happened? Every week Mordin publicly pronounces how you would have done if you’d have followed his system and every week he declares a profit without fail. Compare and contrast with the TF tipsters – no long term results displayed and only heard banging their own drum on the rare occasions when one of their underpriced jollies has actually obliged.
Then we have the eductaionary aspect of Mordin’s works. You can read a real winner, like Bill Benter, explaining what weight he applies to various variables in Mordin’s book and the methodology he used to reach his conclusions. Compare and contrast ‘hobby punter’ Jimbo McGrath’s interview here, where we have the mere appeal to his authority when assigning importance to various factors. No methodology, no explanation, the mere fact that he’s gathered most dust in Halifax makes his word gospel.
As I ask in the thread title, post Mordin-revolution how do these TF types still get work? Are readers that undiscerning?
Timeform employees all look after each other. You get one timeform employee in to one orginisation then they get all there mates jobs.
Some ex timeform employees are worthy of the jobs they get, some are not. Its like an ‘ I scratch your back, you scratch mine’, not what you know but who you know.
They all got each other jobs for the sportsman newspaper.
They have also took over Betfair radio. Some clever person obviously managed to blag Betfair to buy Timeform so they could publish the cards on Betfair. Then one of them gets a job on Betfair radio, next thing you know just about every single presenter and pundit on Betfair radio is an ex timeform employee. Betfair has been well and truly blagged up by the Timeform boys.
As they say its not what you know, it’s who you know and these Timeform boys open the doors for mates only. If your not ex timeform you will struggle to land a job in the racing pundit industry and hats off to anyone who can do it.
Why dont you Private Message her and ask her?
I like to read Simon Rowlands articles and he was good at the Sportsman in tipping and he is one of the ex timeform boys whos opinion I would class worth listening to. Please be aware reading this thats a genuine opinion and Im not writing that because he posts on here. If I didnt rate him I would be the first to say so, Zoso aint no brown noser of the racing hierarchy.
‘The great Nick Mordin’? Yes, the guy’s an absolute hoot and what on earth would we mere mortals have done without him?
Gems along the line of, So&So, winner of the claimer at Southwell on Tuesday posted a speed rating of 39, marking him as a future Group 2 winner, really are priceless. We can also rely upon the likes of, If you’d restricted the bets to those horses with 7 letters in their name running in a month with an ‘R’ in it’s name, those 4 qualifiers over the last 13 years would have netted you an immense profit of 36 pence to a £1 level stake.
They guy really does know the game inside out and we should be grateful that he deigns to share it with us all.
Glenn
On the positive side, Nick Mordin has produced some very interesting and informative work on the subject of horse racing and betting. I think I have learned something from reading his articles and books.
Surprisingly, he has not been able to translate this knowledge into providing profitable tips over a long period. In fact, according to Relayline, who are quite reliable, he is not only a very poor tipster, he is actually the WORST tipster in the business, being bottom of their league of around 130 tipsters.
Were you, by any chance, being tongue in cheek when you sang his praises?.
Timeform employees all look after each other. You get one timeform employee in to one orginisation then they get all there mates jobs.
Some ex timeform employees are worthy of the jobs they get, some are not. Its like an ‘ I scratch your back, you scratch mine’, not what you know but who you know.
They all got each other jobs for the sportsman newspaper.
They have also took over Betfair radio. Some clever person obviously managed to blag Betfair to buy Timeform so they could publish the cards on Betfair. Then one of them gets a job on Betfair radio, next thing you know just about every single presenter and pundit on Betfair radio is an ex timeform employee. Betfair has been well and truly blagged up by the Timeform boys.
As they say its not what you know, it’s who you know and these Timeform boys open the doors for mates only. If your not ex timeform you will struggle to land a job in the racing pundit industry and hats off to anyone who can do it.
C’mon you ex-Timeform wallahs, speak up for yourselves……you know who you are!!!!
Colin
If you bring non-Timeform Nick Mordin into the argument then unless I have missed something, the whole lot together of third rate racing journalists, broadcasters and what are laughingly called pundits, whatever their background, have not produced a single new idea of their own on racing analysis ever. JW has tried to introduce other’s ideas but even that is exceptional.
In defence of NM you get one idea a week. He gives his reasoning and you can back check it, take it or leave it, but at least an idea exists in print. Compare and contrast.
I can tell you why ex-Timeform people get jobs.
It is because they are better than everyone else, otherwise they would not get the jobs. Timeform is the best place to go to learn the trade. Others might not like it, that is called envy.
Why shouldn’t Betfair use people who are already employed by Betfair? Seems quite good buisness practice to me.
I read Mr. Mordins book, How To Be A Successful Gambler. A mixture of comman sence and tosh. Value does not matter and such foolishness. From what I remember he reckoned he was a successful punter because he had made a profit for six months. Who hasn’t done that?
If Jim McGrath took on Nick Mordin in a tipping battle for a year,I would say it would be 1/4 Jimbo, 4/1 Mordin.
Value Is EverythingTimeform employees all look after each other. You get one timeform employee in to one orginisation then they get all there mates jobs.
Some ex timeform employees are worthy of the jobs they get, some are not. Its like an ‘ I scratch your back, you scratch mine’, not what you know but who you know.
They all got each other jobs for the sportsman newspaper.
They have also took over Betfair radio. Some clever person obviously managed to blag Betfair to buy Timeform so they could publish the cards on Betfair. Then one of them gets a job on Betfair radio, next thing you know just about every single presenter and pundit on Betfair radio is an ex timeform employee. Betfair has been well and truly blagged up by the Timeform boys.As they say its not what you know, it’s who you know and these Timeform boys open the doors for mates only. If your not ex timeform you will struggle to land a job in the racing pundit industry and hats off to anyone who can do it.
Plenty of non Timeform employees were given a chance at The Sportsman and on Betfair Radio. I am sure if you wanted a shift on the radio, you could e-mail them and ask……..
I read Mr. Mordins book, How To Be A Successful Gambler. A mixture of comman sence and tosh. Value does not matter and such foolishness. From what I remember he reckoned he was a successful punter because he had made a profit for six months. Who hasn’t done that?
If Jim McGrath took on Nick Mordin in a tipping battle for a year,I would say it would be 1/4 Jimbo, 4/1 Mordin.
In fairness to Nick Mordin, in his book "Betting For A Living", he readily admits that the main reason he made a profit over the 6 months was because he got the exacta up in the Grand National that season. He also does use value, or at least his own version of it. He states that if he believes that 3 horses can win a race, then he won’t accept less than 3/1 about any of them.
Plenty of non Timeform employees were given a chance at The Sportsman and on Betfair Radio. I am sure if you wanted a shift on the radio, you could e-mail them and ask……..
Thats true I heard the receptionist and cleaners were supplied by Addeco employment agency.
I dont do grovelling emails begging for shifts chap. Its head hunted or not at all.
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