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Quote: from dandan on 2:06 pm on Mar. 29, 2007[br]After the interesting recent topics entitled "Milkshaking racehorses" and "Jekyl and Hyde", I wondered what the general educated opinion is on just how bent racing is, if at all.
How bent do you think racing is?
Personally, I think there are more than a few horses running every single day who are:
a- unfit to race to their full ability, unbeknownst to the betting public
b- drugged, unbeknownst to the betting public
and
c- not allowed to run on their merits, unbeknownst to the betting public.
And I’d say that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Don’t get me wrong, I love the game, and I’m not talking through my pocket- I make a nice few quid from it. This is simply something I’ve been thinking about for quite some time. I’m absolutely convinced that the fourth option in the poll above is the closest to the truth. What do you think?
(Edited by dandan at 2:08 pm on Mar. 29, 2007)
<br>(Edited by dandan at 2:10 pm on Mar. 29, 2007)<br>
SHL
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 4:50 pm on Mar. 30, 2007[br]
Quote: from dandan on 2:06 pm on Mar. 29, 2007[br]After the interesting recent topics entitled "Milkshaking racehorses" and "Jekyl and Hyde", I wondered what the general educated opinion is on just how bent racing is, if at all.
How bent do you think racing is?
Personally, I think there are more than a few horses running every single day who are:
a- unfit to race to their full ability, unbeknownst to the betting public
b- drugged, unbeknownst to the betting public
and
c- not allowed to run on their merits, unbeknownst to the betting public.
And I’d say that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Don’t get me wrong, I love the game, and I’m not talking through my pocket- I make a nice few quid from it. This is simply something I’ve been thinking about for quite some time. I’m absolutely convinced that the fourth option in the poll above is the closest to the truth. What do you think?
(Edited by dandan at 2:08 pm on Mar. 29, 2007)
<br>(Edited by dandan at 2:10 pm on Mar. 29, 2007)<br>
Are horses regularly getting drugs to enhance there performance….No. Are they regularly getting them to disimprove…not from connections anyway.
Are horses being pulled so they can be laid on BF. Maybe but not to the scale some might have us think. How much money can you make that way before the police are on the phone due to irregular betting patterns etc?
Is every horse in a race trying his hardest to win. No way, in fact in most Irish Maiden hurdles, most of them arent as they go looking for a favourable handicap mark. Do the betting public know this? Well it might not be said openly but any punter with any idea of what horseracing is about knows the score.
So overall Ive have racing as a less grubby sport over cycling and cricket any day.
SHL
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 5:00 pm on Mar. 30, 2007[br]
Is every horse in a race trying his hardest to win.  No way, in fact in most Irish Maiden hurdles, most of them arent as they go looking for a favourable handicap mark.  Do the betting public know this?  Well it might not be said openly but any punter with any idea of what horseracing is about knows the score.
Acceptable then, you think. If a horse is not trying to win WTF is it doing on a racecourse. Fix the handicap system help the non crooked not the cheats.
Basically racing is a club for those fortunate enough to be in the know, what a great advert, does racing even qualify as a sport.
As for the poll is it not extremely disturbing that "informed" racing people are voting 39-5 BENT at the moment
A few years ago one of the northern jump jockey gave a horse I part owned a very poor ride, completely ignoring the specific instructions essential for the horse to have a chance. I later found that one of the leading on-course bookmakers had laid this horse for everything he could take. Later, I reluctantly agreed to let the same jockey ride the horse again. Instructions ignored, with the horse being pulled up. After the race I went to the weighing room and asked for the jockey to come out. Quote from the jockey, “you thought I pulled your horse before, today I didâ€ÂÂ
Some fascinating answers, Wallace’s in particular.
Sir Harry Lewis- cheers for your response. Personally, I think the likes of the Mossman Gorge incident is far from an isolated scenario, although I have no hard evidence.
It must be said the results of the poll are rather worrying! :o
I voted for 4 because I know a great deal about British horseracing’s “institutionalised corruptionâ€ÂÂ
Quote: from dandan on 6:21 pm on Mar. 30, 2007[br]Some fascinating answers, Wallace’s in particular.
Sir Harry Lewis- cheers for your response. Personally, I think the likes of the Mossman Gorge incident is far from an isolated scenario, although I have no hard evidence.
It must be said the results of the poll are rather worrying! :o <br>
dandan
In view of the fact that you started the poll and set the tone by your first post, a bit like setting a question andanswering yourself, then your last sentence surprises me a little.
Rob
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Quote: from Ultimate Nightmare on 5:16 pm on Mar. 30, 2007[br]As for the poll is it not extremely disturbing that "informed" racing people are voting 39-5 BENT at the moment<br>
What is more disturbing is that this Betfairesque bullsh*t is being taken seriously by supposedly informed racing people.<br>When a thread draws support from a sophisticated nutter the like of Alan Ridley, then you should know it has plumbed the depths.
Quote: from reet hard on 12:34 am on Mar. 30, 2007[br]To paraphrase President Truman:<br>"If you can’t stand the heat, wtf are you doing in the kitchen in the first place?"<br>
reet hard are you implying that wrongdoing is acceptable and that if you are conned it’s tough luck? Perhaps you might like to consider the growth in gambling addiction viz the expansion and soon deregulation of all things betting. Fixed-odds one-armed bandits jumped from three to five reels for only one reason – more profit. Poor racing at poor tracks is no better.<br>AR
AR
You don’t have to play one arm bandits(three or five reel) and you don’t have to bet on poor quality racing.
Rob
i also voted for 4 and although im not a massive punter i am infact there picking up peices of horses in aftercare sometimes after being injured,sometimes due to running when not in there rtue form and fitness……..also for all the great and not so great horses that over the past few years the amount of horses that have been broken down and somecases fatally injured, in order to gain merit for champion trainer etc……:(
rob,<br>poor me, poor me, poor me a drink! With addiction their is no place for ‘dont have to bet’.
The excuses are all dried up.<br>AR
What is more disturbing is that this Betfairesque bullsh*t is being taken seriously by supposedly informed racing people. <br>When a thread draws support from a sophisticated nutter the like of Alan Ridley, then you should know it has plumbed the depths.
<br>Aaah ‘The Ridler’. I wonder how BODD-M and the SP-related world dominance plot is going? :biggrin:
Mike<br>
Quote: from betlarge on 8:04 pm on Mar. 30, 2007[br]
What is more disturbing is that this Betfairesque bullsh*t is being taken seriously by supposedly informed racing people. <br>When a thread draws support from a sophisticated nutter the like of Alan Ridley, then you should know it has plumbed the depths.
<br>Aaah ‘The Ridler’.  I wonder how BODD-M and the SP-related world dominance plot is going? :biggrin:
Mike
Profits are up and everyone without a ‘connection’ is now tagged as the ‘urban poor’.<br>AR
(Edited by AlanRidley at 8:26 pm on Mar. 30, 2007)
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