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Salselon, would Fists have brought our attention to that post if Katchit hadn’t won?
There is after-timing and there is after-timing.
Fists posts are littered with examples of it, I probably picked a poor thread to mention this, but the fact remains that the man is a chronic after-timer.
Colin
I was listening to Walter Swinburn on the radio today who was explaining that his horses were currently having their knees x-rayed as this determines how mature they are and subsequently how much work can be put into them. This got me thinking about technology in general and how it is used across all sports (sports science I think they call it). And raised a question in my mind has anybody ever attempted to produce a machine that could test a horses action and then determine its preferred going? I’m thinking of something along the lines of the technology used to study the running techniques (amongst other things) of athletes.
Considering many a professional claims the going is the most important thing to a horse producing its best form has such a thing ever been attempted?
Seabird, I’ll admit there was a time when I thought the same as you but, frankly I was wrong. To be fair, Fist does put his money where his mouth is.
They do have gait analysis machines, generallly used to detect lameness (ie, waste of money if you know what you’re on about).
I guess it could be customised to going preferances, but again all horses are different – I have known one or two who would knock their teeth with their knees and still wanted it firm.Seems that I have to apologize then, Fists.
No support from the rest of the forum, so please accept my apologies. I am wrong in my suggesting that you are a chronic after-timer.
Colin
I prefer the water divining approach in all honesty, Grassy!
Print out a list of horses weights for me and I’ll ignore it – I’ll go to the paddock and see what I think of them though.
It’s not something that can really be taught, paddock watching, more something you pick up over the years and no, it’s not scientific at all, it’s more of an art, if you like. It can reap dividends though!
I’d like to see weights published, but how?
If they wait to weigh them at the course, how do we get the information quick enough? It will be too late to put it in the race card.
If it is done before they come to the races, who does the weighing? If it is the trainer or representitive of the trainer, surely he is going to have a conflict of interest. Or could put punters away.
I believe in countries where weighing takes place, the trainers are all in a small area. In GB they are country wide.
Mark
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Hi,
Long time lurker first time poster
Just to chime in on the discussion about the publishing of the weights of horses.
Last year there was a very good article in the RP by Brough Scott. He recounted an interview he conducted with Vincent O’Brien a number of years previously. O’Brien opinioned that Uk and Irish punters were deprived of two vital pieces of information that every punter should have. The first being sectional times and the second being the weight of the horse. O’Brien showed Scott one of his offices where he had notebooks containing the weights ,through out the career, of every horse he had trained.
O’Brien went on to say that everyone said at the time how much Nijinsky (I believe it was Nijinsky) had filled out and developed and gained weight from 2 to 3 yet showed Scott that the horse weighted the exact same when winning the Dewhurst as he did when winning the 2000G’s. So while natural growth had occured the actual weight of the horse had remained static throughout (when in training) and that he considered a horses racing weight as a very important factor as an indicator of fitness.I guess if the great man considered it important then thats good enough for me.
(apologies if it wasnt nijinsky but the rest is pretty close to the mark)
As gingertipster said it would be too late to get the info printed in the racecard but prehaps it could be put up similar to the the way its done at the dogs on a board or screen and punters can mark their card accordingly
Dave jay’s post puts it very well.
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