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Almost spot on SteveCaution – I think it was Ripon*. I’ll load up the image in mo’
edit: No you’re right, it’s Redcar
Hercule Poirot is about to summon us in to announce the conclusion of the investigation.
Sorry for leaving you hanging earlier, but the Brit Library banned the forum from wifi (gambling?)
Anyway, I just want to say thank you all for guding me through this, I’ve learned so much about horses, maybe one day I’ll join a syndicate. Next I need to find out where George Henry Moore was born (father Peter), but that’s another story and another forum perhaps. It is good to know that the family story was correct and that is my grandad’s horse in the picture!
” title=”Article”>The trainer was ‘Bullock’ – any ideas?
And these were the final results
Nice work Norette, glad we – or rather you – got there in the end, as collectively we wiseacres on TRF weren’t a great deal of help, Crepello 1957 apart.
So much for my supposed knowledge of the sun
A fascinating thread and thanks for starting it
I notice the Bedale Selling Plate was “of 300 sovs.” – that’s about 11,200 sovs. today. I guess that’s the total prize fund as the winner of an average Seller nowadays wouldn’t receive anything like that amount – 1,200 sovs. would be nearer the mark
A satisfying end to a fascinating thread. BTW, Norette, there is a horse called Grandads Horse – it’s won 12 races.
I’m going to try and post a pic of that Redcar meeting taken the day before your father led in that winner. If it doesn’t come out right, I’ll try again (I miss the old preview facility when posting)
Good to see that nothing was different with newspapers almost 70 years ago. Gracious Son spelled as “Gracious Sun” in the betting forecast and his odds suggested at 5/1, compared to the SP of 100/6
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Gracious Son Chestnut Gelding by First Son out of Kaombe.
First run in its’ 2-y-o season was a modest 9th of 13 at Ripon on 10th May.
This was followed by a win in a seller at Carlisle on 2nd July, turning over the odds on favourite in a three runner affair. This obviously impressed the winning bidder in the auction, a certain G H Moore, who stumped up 250 guineas to buy the gelding.
The race in question at Redcar followed and Gracious Son was bought in for 450 guineas.
DL Jones was in the plate again for another 5 furlong selling event at Manchester on 6th September, but could only finish 3rd of the 4 runners.
Stepped up to a mile for the next outing in a nursery handicap at Ayr’s Western Meeting and was noted staying on in 5th.
Then dropped back in trip at Redcar in a 6f seller on 24th Sept finishing 3rd of 8.
Further runs at Ripon (6th) in a 5f nursery, unplaced in a 6f nursery at Thirsk and then back up to a mile on 1st November at Thirsk (9th of 14) with R Moore in the saddle.
R Moore also rode the gelding in his last race of the season on the final day at Manchester on 22nd November in a 6 furlong seller, but finished a poor 25th of 26.
A brief 3-y-o career on the flat – one run in a 6f handicap at Ripon on 14th July 1948. 16th of 24 R Moore again aboard.
The gelding was then switched to the NH code and was now noted as a bay gelding trained by G Moore.
NH debut was at Birmingham on December 13th 1948 in a 3-y-o selling maiden hurdle over 1m 4f ! , finishing well down the 25 strong field.
Similarly undistinguished effort in a 3-y-o juvenile hurdle at Wetherby on 27th December.
Presumably then sold to be trained by Megginson at Knayton, Yorkshire for Mrs K Hill.
Returned the following season (as a chestnut again) at Southwell on 5th September, pulled up in a 2m hurdle on hard going. Then followed a 3rd at Hexham and Wetherby before falling at Kelso. An unplaced effort at Catterick was followed by another fall at Carlisle. 4th in a selling hurdle at Carlisle 2 days later. Midfield finishes at Perth, Kelso an Hexham before stepping up to 2m 4f at Sedgefield. Another 4th place in a 2m seller at Hexham, before the third and final success of his carreer in a 2m selling hurdle at Hexham on 29th May 1950. W M Hunter was successful in the auction for 170 guineas.
8 runs in the 1951/52 season produced nothing of note and then 3 runs in 1952/53, the final outing for the then 8-y-o was in another 2m selling hurdle at Hexham finishing last of the 5 finishers.
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
I’ve just joined after lurking for a while. Just want to post my thanks to Norrette and to all of you posters for this wonderful thread. It’s been a kind of ‘Who do you think you are’ in a racing context. I love the fact that the final proof came via the British Library and that Steve Caution was almost all the way there beforehand. All the best to you Norrette if you do join the ranks of owners in the future.
Bert Bullock trained at Ripon, according to Good & Betts 1948.
In the restricted fixture list of 1945 he had six wins for prize money of £1,628.
All 6 ridden by the go-to jockey, D Jones (Gosden & Dettori of the day).
Mademoiselle Mars won twice at Catterick ( 21.07.45 & 18.08.45 )
Owned by Mrs GH MooreInteresting thread
cheers
I.Thanks so much for these extensive tantalising further facts all. Sadly I don’t understand all of it.
Espmadrid: “Gracious Son was bought in for 450 guineas.” Does that mean it was sold again?Isinglass : “Mademoiselle Mars” That will be very interesting if that was also from the family. More research on the cards…
I’d heard that my grandfather had gone bankrupt in the early ’50s – possibly due to the cost of horseracing?
He ended up selling agricultural machinery and then something to do with engineering, according to various marriage and death certificates.I’ve just joined after lurking for a while. Just want to post my thanks to Norrette and to all of you posters for this wonderful thread. It’s been a kind of ‘Who do you think you are’ in a racing context. I love the fact that the final proof came via the British Library and that Steve Caution was almost all the way there beforehand. All the best to you Norrette if you do join the ranks of owners in the future.
I didn’t have a clue Felicity. Other than finding a good image of jockey Davy Jones and being convinced it proved he was the pilot in question, I was completely stumped.
Once Norrette provided the date, I searched the newspaper archive and found the headline that named horse, jockey, racecourse and the name of the race.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Thanks so much for these extensive tantalising further facts all. Sadly I don’t understand all of it.
Espmadrid: “Gracious Son was bought in for 450 guineas.” Does that mean it was sold again?Not on this occasion, the winner of a selling race is sold by auction immediately after the race. “Bought in” means that the current owner had to bid 450 guineas to win the auction and retain the horse. Looks like Gracious Son remained the property of G M Moore until early 1949, when presumably he was sold privately.
Was R Moore, the jockey who rode him three times another relative, or was this just a coincidence?
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
He ended up selling agricultural machinery and then something to do with engineering, according to various marriage and death certificates.
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