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Norette,
One other thing I uncovered is that Donatellina never won a race, either in England or back home in France. She appears in a thoroughbred sales catalogue entry that you can find by putting ‘Donatellina Galtres’ into Google.
In that it says she was placed in races in France as well as her 2nd in the Galtres Stakes, but no mention of wins, which would certainly have been included if there were any, as winning is regarded as crucial for a broodmare.
Which raises the question of whether the Echo would have printed a picture of a horse that hadn’t even won a race.
Norette,
Which raises the question of whether the Echo would have printed a picture of a horse that hadn’t even won a race.
Maybe it was the story angle – The French jockey being led in by a sailor – Can’t have happened that often.
The model’s colours look wrong, one stripe too many – see the OP’s picture and my picture of Volterra’s of Phil Drake’s jockey.
Yes, the third stripe looks like a mistake. To be honest the figure is pretty crudely made and painted. They also seem to think that the owner only had horses in the 50’s and 60’s, so perhaps it wasn’t researched that well.
The pose of the jockey on his own, off the horse, looks like he is in the process of knocking one off, rather than getting ready to ride a horse. Maybe it’s just my evil mind.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Although I would have thought it was nearer midsummer looking at the shadows….
Curiouser and curiouser…good point, that does not look like shadows cast mid-afternoon in mid-August.
Being fortunate enough to live near York racecourse, I’ve just been out casting shadows of my beautiful profile in the solstitial sun, and the experiment leads me to believe that photo was taken early afternoon around this time of year
We’re assuming it’s York and the backdrop certainly looks like York, so, given my self-confessed doubting of the veracity of my experiment, you may want to research the mid-May, mid-June and mid-July meetings of 47/48 which I assume were held then, as nowadays
Another point: other than the interested parties there’s very few in the parade ring and no one in the background, which is not what you’d expect at the Ebor Meeting.in August
I don’t have any Timeforms that far back. I have the John Betts books (full set) but French horses are not very extensively covered, also it focuses on the two year olds who are likely to win races at three. I don’t know a lot about the races held at York in the earlier meetings of the year immediately post war. Many races have changed their names.
Does anyone know what Woodflower looked like or whether Kiowa had a blaze?
But I think we are looking for a chestnut filly here, I am pretty certain Donatellina was a bay. She was exported to the USA.Crepello195,
I’m very impressed with you knowing the sex of the horse by her head & ears
Maybe you could pass on some tips to one or two pundits on tv, some regularly get the sex wrong even when it’s written down in the paper in front of them.
I might be wrong of course Yeats, as horses did have a different look then both colts and fillies. Fillies have lop ears more than colts…..but there have been a good few colts in that era who had them….. Premonition, Never Say Die, and more recently Quayside. They seem to have died out, you rarely see them now.
As for TV pundits, some of the ones on Channel 4 are terrible, even though they have good credentials!I’ve been trying to identify the lady as Mme Volterra but research is inconclusive. There’s loads of images of her – quite a looker actually – and her physiognomy is similar to the one in the OP’s photo but the physique and rather untidy voluminous dress doesn’t really fit; though I think the majority of the images on Google were taken in the 50s and 60s
You are sure they’re the Volterra colours?
Google Images “suzy volterra”
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You are sure they’re the Volterra colours?
Well not absolutely certain, but here’s M. Volterra leading in his Prix du Jockey Club winner ‘Duplex’
http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/eaw009404
York raceourse in 1947. there are a couple of other images from different directions on the same page
Himself, this model has already been dealt with earlier in the thread – the colours are wrong (one too many hoops).
It’s a great site that aaron… can lose many hours browsing.
I’ve done some homework on the historical papers searching for Doyasbere and these are the possibles I’ve found. I believe there are no more, but never say never… The papers websites use optical character recognition and it’s often difficult to determine the horses’ names, so some may be wrong.
Paper date / Possible course-race / Mount
26th September 1947 Ascot / Picardie II
~10th March 1948 Knights Royal Stakes Ascot / Vagabond II
13th March 1948 Elsham Handicap / Patchouly
13th March 1948 Lincolnshire Handicap / Vagabond II
27th March 1948 Rosebery Stakes / Patchouly
27th April 1948 2000 guineas / Royal Drake
14th May 1948 Hurst / Clarion III (?)
3rd June 1948 Oaks / Folie II
4th June 1948 Derby / Royal Drake
15th June 1948 Queen Anne Stakes / Solina
16th June 1948 Hunt Cup / Triolet IV
17th June 1948 Ascot Gold Cup / Solina
18th June 1948 Wokingham Stakes / Villarceau (?)
24th August 1948 York / Reine des Etoiles
27th August 1948 York / Donatellina
8th October 1948 Mornington Stakes / Reine des Etoiles
9th October 1948 ? Ascot / Rigolo
19th October 1948 King George VI / Folie II
24th October 1948 Yorkshire Oaks / Reine des Etoiles
26th October 1948 Newmarket / SolinaI have a feeling we’ve reached a dead end….
But thanks so much for all your help
I read an excerpt from a book called Post Haste, written by Edgar Britt. In the item he states that he rode Angelola to victory in the Yorkshire Oaks in August 1948, beating Reine Des Etoiles into second. Reine Des Etoiles was making a foray over from France and was ridden by Jacques Doyasbere, whom the author referred to as Jacko Doyasbere. Reine Des Etoiles was favourite for the race and was beaten 3/4 of a length by Angelola, who was owned by The King. Gordon Richards rode second favourite Amina.
Edgar Britt won the St Leger on Black Tarquin that year, also for the King, and trainer Cecil Boyd-Rochfort.
I can’t find out much about Reine Des Etoiles but Angelola went on to sire Aureole. Incredibly, Aussie Jockey Edgar Britt is still alive as far as I know, he certainly celebrated his 101st birthday last October!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I don’t have any Timeforms that far back. I have the John Betts books (full set) but French horses are not very extensively covered, also it focuses on the two year olds who are likely to win races at three. I don’t know a lot about the races held at York in the earlier meetings of the year immediately post war. Many races have changed their names.
Does anyone know what Woodflower looked like or whether Kiowa had a blaze?
But I think we are looking for a chestnut filly here, I am pretty certain Donatellina was a bay. She was exported to the USA.According to the excellent Thoroughbred Pedigree Query site Donatellina was indeed a bay.
Paper date / Possible course-race / Mount
26th September 1947 Ascot / Picardie II
~10th March 1948 Knights Royal Stakes Ascot / Vagabond II
13th March 1948 Elsham Handicap / Patchouly
13th March 1948 Lincolnshire Handicap / Vagabond II
27th March 1948 Rosebery Stakes / Patchouly
27th April 1948 2000 guineas / Royal Drake
14th May 1948 Hurst / Clarion III (?)
3rd June 1948 Oaks / Folie II
4th June 1948 Derby / Royal Drake
15th June 1948 Queen Anne Stakes / Solina
16th June 1948 Hunt Cup / Triolet IV
17th June 1948 Ascot Gold Cup / Solina
18th June 1948 Wokingham Stakes / Villarceau (?)
24th August 1948 York / Reine des Etoiles
27th August 1948 York / Donatellina
8th October 1948 Mornington Stakes / Reine des Etoiles
9th October 1948 ? Ascot / Rigolo
19th October 1948 King George VI / Folie II
24th October 1948 Yorkshire Oaks / Reine des Etoiles
26th October 1948 Newmarket / SolinaI think we’ve got there now.
On that list, taking into account the high summer weather and the backgrounds (it’s not Ascot or Epsom), there are only two possible candidates – Donatellina and Reine Des Etoiles.
The jockey on Donatellina we now know to be Tommy Lowrey, but the jockey in the picture looks nothing like Lowrey who looks like this
but much more like Jacko Doyasbere, and thanks to Stevecaution’s post we know that Doyasbere rode Reine Des Etoiles on 24/08/48, so that clinches it, as far as I can see.
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