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Ravens Pass also beat the record, so he must be better than the Brigadier etc etc etc etc etc etc etc yawn
How many grade one races have been run on Ascot’s round course on fast ground since the rebuild a couple of years ago?
With Ravens Pass finally proving without a shadow of a doubt that he does stay 1m, hopefully connections will be a bit more positive on him next time and a rematch in the Sussex Stakes could be something to savour.
I hear what you guys are saying about O’Brien but what about Henrythenavigator.
Your giving plenty negative vibes about him but saying nothing about the horse’s performance who is after all the importaint subject hear.
Personally I don’t give a rats ass about what O’Brien says or you having a go at the man.
I can see for myself Henry is a very special animal something you seem to have missed.
For once AO may not be exagerating
Oh well i was wrong on both counts, the nice thing was at least we had the opportunity to find out. Shame it doesn’t happen more often.
I hear what you guys are saying about O’Brien but what about Henrythenavigator.
Your giving plenty negative vibes about him but saying nothing about the horse’s performance who is after all the importaint subject hear.
Personally I don’t give a rats ass about what O’Brien says or you having a go at the man.
I can see for myself Henry is a very special animal something you seem to have missed.
For once AO may not be exagerating
Yes but what does special mean? A once in a life time horse, potentially the best of the decade or just the best of his own crop?
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Henry looks like a 7 furlong horse all right Reet
Yep, and Raven’s Pass.
Prior to the race Getaway was regarded as a bit of a good thing by some good judges. Fortunes were lost that day so I am somewhat surprised why I am being asked why I think he may be a better horse than SOF.
SOFv wont be winning the arc and you can take that to the bank. No way is he good enough IMO
Getaway whipped round unseated his rider before the race, he was hanging to such an extent he jockey could hardly ride him> his head was so far to the right you would think he was looking for someone in the stands and I am asked why I thought he never enjoyed Epsom.
A blind man running for a bus could see the horse was hating the place and if one cound’t see that I think one should give up racing and take up golf..On second thoughts better not as I doubt one could spot the fairway.
I hope that answers my learned friends question.
Thanks for that – I was thinking about backing Soldier of Fortune, but if he’s not going to win, I think I’ll keep my money.
Points one by one.
If money down means that one horse is better than another, then we should all give the game up. I’ve done a lot of studies on market efficiency, but these pertain only to the market as a whole and not to individual/groups of bettors. What exactly has Getaway done to convince you that he’s a world-beater?
I don’t think that SOF is a world-beater but he has won an Irish Derby, won a good race in France, before the Arc came a bit soon.
Then on his reappearance, he’s won a decent race and will improve.Maybe in your opinion, he won’t win the Arc, but to cast it as a stone-cold fact is sheer arrogance.
I hear what you guys are saying about O’Brien but what about Henrythenavigator.
Your giving plenty negative vibes about him but saying nothing about the horse’s performance who is after all the importaint subject hear.
Personally I don’t give a rats ass about what O’Brien says or you having a go at the man.
I can see for myself Henry is a very special animal something you seem to have missed.
For once AO may not be exagerating
Yes but what does special mean? A once in a life time horse, potentially the best of the decade or just the best of his own crop?
Good question but unlike the jumps (Arkle) too difficult to answer. I think we have seen better milers like the Brigadier but Henry is to my mind very very good.
There are many many special horses who appear on the flat. Sea Brd Nijinsky, Mill Reef, Pebbles but when you get someone like Lestwer Piggot saying Sir Ivor was his best Derby winner (thousands would disagree) then your question bcomes even more difficult to answer.
As far as Henry goes, I think we saw a much better Ravens Pass than we did in the guineas and I have a feeling he may not have been quite himself back then.
Ravens reminds me of Right Tack in a lot of ways and I was very disappointed with him in the Guineas. I thought he ran too bad to be true but in the St Jame’s Palace we saw the real thing.
He would have been hailed brilliant winner without Henry in the race IMO. which to my mind is something AO agrees with…..plus Henry don’t half look the part.
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