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dont know why all the doubts & negativity about Henry, he beat what was put in front of him and looked good doing it i can actually see him come on again for irish 2000 and looking at entries cant see anyone there to trouble him with New approach winning the derby it franks the form IMHO
he is deffo banker material but his price wont be great so if anyone has another banker at good odd’s please let me know?
dont know why all the doubts & negativity about Henry, he beat what was put in front of him and looked good doing it i can actually see him come on again for irish 2000 and looking at entries cant see anyone there to trouble him with New approach winning the derby it franks the form IMHO
he is deffo banker material but his price wont be great so if anyone has another banker at good odd’s please let me know?
I would love to see Henry become something special and I beleive that at the start of the season he is. What worries me is how his form seemed to tail off after his ascot win as a 2 y o. Could the same thing happen this year??
I would love to see Henry become something special and I beleive that at the start of the season he is. What worries me is how his form seemed to tail off after his ascot win as a 2 y o. Could the same thing happen this year??
Only if they run him on soft ground
I would love to see Henry become something special and I beleive that at the start of the season he is. What worries me is how his form seemed to tail off after his ascot win as a 2 y o. Could the same thing happen this year??
he was raced on the wrong ground
Henrythenavigator is not top class and I will be searching for an upset to beat the 7-2 on favourite in the St James’ Palace.
Raven’s Pass is hugely interesting on firmer ground and at Ascot. If he’s a price – fair dinkum!
And how about Falco? Scorching performance with a full head of steam in the Poulains.
Why 7-2 on? Insane!
I would love to see Henry become something special and I beleive that at the start of the season he is. What worries me is how his form seemed to tail off after his ascot win as a 2 y o. Could the same thing happen this year??
he was raced on the wrong ground
My apologies
, although it is quite cloudy today in London! Could there be rain on the way?! 
Henrythenavigator is not top class and I will be searching for an upset to beat the 7-2 on favourite in the St James’ Palace.
Raven’s Pass is hugely interesting on firmer ground and at Ascot. If he’s a price – fair dinkum!
And how about Falco? Scorching performance with a full head of steam in the Poulains.
Why 7-2 on? Insane!
in fairness any double guineas winner is not going to be anything other than odd’s on
Would hold all bets until the likely going is known, Ascot throws up some strange results on soft or drying ground.
If going is genuine good or better can’t see Henry getting beat but too short a price for me. Brian Meehan’s Cat Junior an interesting outsider if going is OK.
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in fairness any double guineas winner is not going to be anything other than odds on
Cockney Rebel wasn’t quite that. He was Evens favourite last year, and probably would have won if he hadn’t been significantly injured during the race.
It’s worth remembering that only two horses in modern times have completed this treble – Right Tack (1969) and Rock of Gibraltar (2002) – so if Henrythenavigator does, it will be a significant achievement even if the opposition is sub-standard.
in fairness any double guineas winner is not going to be anything other than odds on
Cockney Rebel wasn’t quite that. He was Evens favourite last year, and probably would have won if he hadn’t been significantly injured during the race.
It’s worth remembering that only two horses in modern times have completed this treble – Right Tack (1969) and Rock of Gibraltar (2002) – so if Henrythenavigator does, it will be a significant achievement even if the opposition is sub-standard.
Cockney wasnt trained by A o’ Brien
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You keep repeating this. I would like to know why 4 lengths or so is considered "close up"
As for the Curragh, thats a barmy interpretation of form. He picked them off with ease. Does the actual distance matter?Whether 4 lengths is close up or not, it equates to about 8lbs over 1 mile, so how would you explain these.
1/ Stubbs Art improved by 25lbs on anything he had done previously, a phenomenal amount for any horse, let alone one on his 8th career start?
2/ Dream Eater, rated 104 rec’d a 10lb beating?
3/ Moynahan, rated 95 rec’d a 17lb beating?
The only other horses in the first 6 were New Approach, who has already showed he needed further, and the nonstaying Raven’s Pass whose future almost certainly lies over shorter, so why is HTN rated on those 2 with the others conveniently ignored.
At the Curragh, New Approach palpably didn’t run his race, so much so that the trainer thought within a couple of days that the horse had taken nothing out of himself and began planning for the Derby.
Stubb’s Art occupied a similar position to the one he had at Newmarket, which proved nothing new, and the 109 rated – and unfit – stablemate Jupiter Pluvius ran the usual AoB warm-up of some 10/15lbs below his best.
HTN might have been visually impressive (In a slowly run race against nix opposition) but I reckon I would have looked half-decent; would the distance have mattered then?
Or is the only sane way through rose tinted glasses?
"reet hard wrote:
1/ Stubbs Art improved by 25lbs on anything he had done previously, a phenomenal amount for any horse, let alone one on his 8th career start?There is a certain case for this.
1. There is a lot of time for a horse to grow into its frame from 2-3 and 25lbs is beleivable.
2. Some horses no matter how many runs can turn from ordinary handicappers into top class horses (ie. Young Mick and Les Arcs 2006)
3. Elsworth said after the guineas he was disapointed as he expected his horse to win it, let alone be placed. Therefore he must have seen a major improvement in his horse.
4. He repeated the form in the irish guineas therefore it wasnt a one off
5. Both times he ran not too far off of new approach who has gone on to win a derby
6. No one wrote off the dante because tartan bearer went up so many lbs from his leicester maiden 2ndSorry, its just I have taken quite a liking to the horse after his efforts in the guineas and expect him to be placed again in the St James Palace.
, although it is quite cloudy today in London! Could there be rain on the way?! 
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