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Hi all.
I am in a grumpy old man mood tonight, and as I was reading the local paper, I came across this artical.
The local hoodie thugs managed to stop a game of cicket at hatch End C.C. because they kept on running onto the pitch and nicking the boundry flags. The players and some spectators stood up to them, and the hoods got violent.
Get this! The police were called and asked the supporters and players to leave. 40 minutes later, the fire brigade were called to try and put out the fire in the club house???? It was burnt to the floor.Now call me old fashioned. But would it not have been a better idea to shoot the hoodies in the face with a cannon, and keep the cricket club up and running for the local community? Rather than let the hoods have their own way.
What chance have we got when the old bill just want an easy way out rather than do the job that we pay them for?
Yours sincerely
Mr Angry from Harrow!!!!!!!!
it does reek of a cover-up
I’m so ****
in tired of this stuff.
We’ve got such a culture of cover-up and misinformation in this country.
If the politicians (and Ian Blair is one) ****
up, then they just lie about it. And when they get caught, they deny it with more lies.
And then, if they ever get to the point they can’t lie any more, they get their mates to hold an enquiry that’s set up to find someone else (or no-one) responsible.
It’s so shoddy, it’s unbelievable… and so stupid.
Why did the police lie about what happened? And did they really believe the lies would stick?
Surely all the stories of this guy jumping over the barriers etc were obviously going to be refuted by the evidence.
All they’ve done is undermine puplic confidence in them and made their jobs harder.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I think that most intelligent people understand that a shoot-to-kill policy is going to result in the deaths of innocent people.
And whether that’s an acceptable consequence of such a policy is for the individual to decide.
But I think we’d all agree that, if the policy is implemented, the police have to understand precisely what they’re doing and those instructions have to be justifiable to the public.
This is what both the police and the public derserve. And it gives both groups confidence as they go about their business.
However, with his misinformation, Ian Blair has created a situation where:
– the public are now unsure that the correct police procedures are in place
– they’re unsure about the legitimacy of the rules the police are operating under
– they feel that whenever the police do something they can’t justify, there will be a cover up
This is a shambles that helps no-one.
Ian Blair shouldn’t be allowed to resign, he doesn’t deserve the choice. He should be out on his ear.
Steve
The whole country is going over to this sort of government/corporate lying game .. it just shows you that people who have always been cynical and sneered a lot, were right all along.
The Police I feel will never win in anything like this.
Does anyone think, possibly that the Met walked onto a busy train, in London, after the events that happened, and simply put 8 shots into someone?
There has to be a reason why.
This guy might have looked very troubled, and did not respond to the Mets calls for him to stop. His English might not have been too good. I believe that his visa had run out. If that is the case, then he would have been very nervous.
As sad as it is….
Do you not think that it has sent out a message of, dont **** with the Met, cos were ready to kill you?
This was one person, who probably should not have been here, being killed innocently.
Whats your views about the 57 other innocent people who "were" murdered for just going to work?
The sympathy for them and their families seems to have been forgotten, dont you think? I dont think that their families are going to drag out their grief, just to get a million quid.
The Met generally do a good job, and they should be allowed to carry out any possible links they can, to make London a better place, because it is only going to get worse if the do-gooders want to tie their hands behind their backs!
I have to go now because I need a poo!
Interestingly the investigative inquiry, has not happened as yet, but of course the anti blair dogs are out gathering their packs and howling, now of course what ever comes out of the enquiry, they will see it as a cover up.
Does anyone believe for a moment that the police just killed the guy in cold blood, that they were not fearfull, for their lives or for the public around them?
Hey so your an armed cop, an you suspect someone is about to blow themselves and others to kingdom come, in the microseconds you have to make the decision, what are your actions going to be.?
I suggest before the tirade starts you consider, or ask someone who has fired weapons in anger, what it feels like when you have to make the decision.
The police in question had to make a decision, unfortunately that decision is harder to make, involves life or death and has to be made. Unlike the stuff in your simple lives.
If the guy resigns, they are guilty before the inquiry, wether or not it was a mistake. After the inquiry, that is a different proposition.
Lets wait until we have both sides of the arguement before we make stupid speculative assumptions.
Do I feel safer? Er, no.
I spent most of the weekend looking for accomodation in London. I must have missed three tube trains because each time I started running for one of them I remembered the Stockwell incident and slowed nervously to a walk.
A slightly swarthy (I’ve just returned from a holiday in the sun), sweating individual carrying a rucksack around the tube system is bound to feel that he needs to be careful about what he does.
For what it’s worth, the level of police presence is reassuring, more so than when you couldn’t move for armed coppers a few weeks back, just after the July 21st incidents.
Don’t think my comments were aimed at you GH.
But you said "so long as it pertains to terrorist suspects who are assuredly exactly that – terrorist suspects." and it is very difficult as I and others have said, in the heat of the moment, to be sure what is what. One has to assume that the officers concerned thought their action was right at the time. What we do not need is a witch hunt, but a cohesive discussion that hopefully will stop the same situation arising again.
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The officers involved had a difficult decision and to expect them to get it right 100% of the time is unreasonable.
And I, for one, feel that, in these cases of mistaken identity, the public and press are too determined to find someone to blame.
We should realise that these things are often a percentage call and that an officer can make the right choice based on the information he has and still shoot an innocent person.
they will see it as a cover up
Isn’t this an inevitable result of the misinformation that the police issued at the time of the shooting and their seeming reluctance to have a proper enquiry?
IMO, Ian Blair has questions to answer about why "information" was released about the event that appears to be completely untrue.
As far as I’m concerned, he’s responsible for the quality of information given out. If he didn’t know what happened, he was free to say so.
Part of his job is to pass information from his officers to the public and I believe he’s let both sides down.
If he has a valid reason why he’s acted the way he did, he should have the right to give it.
But, if he hasn’t, he should be out the door.
(the fact that he’s let the confusion drag on without any explanation, would suggest it’s jotter time for him)
And we shouldn’t have to wait for an enquiry to report back around christmas time to sort this out. We could answer this one question in a few hours.
Steve
I heard through the media today that the Brazilian President has no problem with what happened to the unfortunate Mr Menezes, as the Brazilian police shot 600 members of the public by mistake last year alone.
BTW. Even "OUR" Mayor, Kon, has taken sides with Sir Ian.
But I suppose he would.
Your oppology is accepted.
Mr De Mendez apparantly came over to England for a year. To live a safer life for a while. Cos its sh1t in Brazil you know. He did so for a year and beyond his legal visa year. Unfortunatley, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. (London, after the worst terrorist attack for 20 plus years, living in a suspects house) He might have been better off in Brazil? But the odds of what happened over hear are a lot worse in his homeland. But he decided to live here instead.
His choice I’m affraid.
Lolly’s mate. You hit the nail on the head. I’m 35 and must be old fashioned too. I despair. I would tie them to the cricket nets and bowl at them as fast as I bloody could.
Typical Police attitude, Be much better to strip them then stand them up and let the bowlers try to whip their bails off.
It sickens me the way this country is going, Decent people being shafted all the time and these smug yob t&%ts get the rub of the green instead.
Sadly if someone went to challenge them, depending on their age they would either get charged with assault or branded a paedophile.
No doubt some of the Janets out there will say that the hoods are the victims. Bless them.
Just like the scroat 10 year old who kicked my wife for the second time within 8 months whilst she did her school job.After the first kicking she got, the headmaster said "his hands were tied", but the kid would get anger management classes!
They worked didn’t they!
Does anyone out there think that if this 10 year old scroat had a cane across his arse several times after kicking my Mrs the first time, he might not have done it again?
GRRRRR!!!
Quote – Sadly if someone went to challenge them, depending on their age they would either get charged with assault or branded a paedophile.
They might also get a knife in the stomach for their trouble.
The local hoodie thugs kept on running onto the pitch and nicking the boundry flags.
Wherein lies the problem?
You’ve been telling us on these pages for years that you’d like fewer Poles in Middlesex.
gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Some people say bring back the death penalty but I have a different Idea. In the film Papillon, the first few years and the Solitary wing seemed a bit harsh in terms of human rights. But the last bit where dustin hoffman was on the island running his little farm seemed pretty humane.
I say stick them in that sort of environment (the british empire has no shortage of remote islands), where they have to fend for themselves and it might teach them a littler bit of responsibility, if they dont grow it, they die (pretty self sufficient really, cheap for taxpayers). Maybe give them the option of a distance learning package.
Obviously there would have to some sort of Rule on the said Island to stop it turning into a resentable success story like australia.
Im sure that seeing their mates getting shipped off to some hell hole might discourage the rest of the posse. Saying that it could also be used on asylum seekers too, as to be fair they would have political asylum at minimal expense.
Also I dont think Flamethrowers are used for crowd control enough these days.
I reckon I should run for public office with such policies, aswell as my "Cut road tax and NHS waiting lists by putting fat people on chain gangs" idea.
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