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  • #15964
    Avatar photonulty
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    Midas Touch and Rewilding head the market at around 9/4 each. They easily have the best form in the book and deserve to be at the top of the market. Midas Touch and Monterosso carry G2 penalties of 3lbs.

    1 (6) Midas Touch (J Murtagh)
    2 (2) Monterosso (K Fallon)
    3 (7) Dancing David (M Dwyer)
    4 (1) Harris Tweed (L Jones)
    5 (10)Joshua Tree (J Spencer)
    6 (9) Momkinzain (R Hughes)
    7 (8) Rewilding (L Dettori)
    8 (4) Simeon (J Fortune)
    9 (5) Ted Spread (D Holland)
    10(3) Total Command (O Peslier)

    Interesting that Jamie Spencer takes the ride on Joshua Tree. He hasn’t ridden an O’Brien horse in two years or won on one in 3 years.

    This is a difficult one to decipher.

    #313044
    Avatar photoJJMSports
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    I think the Monterrosso price is fantastic value, odd that Fallon is chosen to ride.

    Was on Joshua Tree AP for the derby, going to have to follow that.

    #313141
    Fryern
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    Ted Spread 14-1 with bet365.com 1/4 the odds a place 1-3

    If Epsom hasn’t killed him off this is a good ratio bet

    :D :D

    #313143
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    Dettori was incredibly slow to react to Workforce’s early kick in the Derby and as such Rewilding rates a fair bit better than the result.

    I’ll be surprised if he’s beaten, especially given how well he won at Goodwood.

    #313147
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    I think everything about

    Total Command

    says St Leger,connections,breeding and form. I have watched his run in the Queens Vase several times now and am adamant that had the trip been 1m 6f he would have won with the burst of speed he showed 3 out,he was then out stayed by proper 2 milers.I initially thought that he would be in need of the race tomorrow but having seen the booking of Olivier Peslier i would imagine he is pretty straight,the Voltigeur is still the best piece of form to go to Doncaster armed with and so long as he gets a place and is not beaten far i expect this full brother to the mighty Quiff to be in Total Command come Leger day! I have taken 100/30 to place for this though and the 18"s and 14"s on the machine to win,too big not too! :D

    #313157
    darren83
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    Monterosso is my tip here

    #313162
    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    TAPK, with you 100% on this one … on at 16’s for Donny and happy to see him go close tomorrow without necessarily winning … fearful of Rewilding tomorrow but envisage TC doing his best work at the finish and running into a place.

    #313168
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    Splitting this in to three, Rewilding, Midas Touch and the field. I’d rather be on Rewilding and less so Midas Touch. Latter can improve again, but Rewilding was quite a bit better than the Derby form (didn’t act at Epsom). Stable in cracking form now, wouldn’t be inconvenienced by a sof surface either.
    Harris Tweed is the one from the field who might have a chance. As long as Ted Spread doesn’t take him on. Unsure how Haggas’s animal will act on a soft surface, but at least it will bring stamina in to play. Tomkins horse will love the going, but can’t see him being good enough. Question whether he’ll be back at his best. Not run since a very poor Derby performance.
    Monterosso hasn’t been the same since Ascot and Johnston is having a customary lull at this time.
    Dancing David shouldn’t stay, but might still have a bit of improvement in him. Stableout of form when last seen.
    Joshua Tree hasn’t been seen at all this term. Why? Must be a big negative.
    Momkinzain and Simenon shouldn’t be good enough.
    Liked Total Galley in the Queens Vase. Went clear until tiring ate on, not getting home. Should improve but needs to.

    Backed Reilding 9/4 with savers on Midas Touch 2.65/1 and Harris Tweed 12/1. Would’ve gone with the latter as the main bet on a firm surface.

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    #313172
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    Rewilding

    could be the best thing to come out of the Derby IMO.

    With the horse having had sufficient time to recover from Epsom, where he wasn’t given the best of rides, and the easier going sure to suit a Tiger Hill colt out of a Top Ville mare, I expect him to take this before a tilt at the Arc.

    Speaking of the Arc, I just tried to have a cheeky fiver on @85 with Betfair. They only let me have £3.50 @85, then a further £2.00 @80’s. It’s now 75!

    I’m not too familiar with BF as I use Bet365, but was that shift in ten points in a matter of minutes due to my wedge going down?! :lol:

    #313183
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    No matter which horse you look at there’s a reason why not to bet it.

    I agree with Gord on SMS’s he loves to win this race and the yard wasn’t firing when he was beaten last time. Plus it’s not very often SMS will send one he thinks isn’t good enough to do himself justice.

    Midas Touch looks very game and genuine and while it’s easy to imagine something beating him it’s even more difficult to imagine him being unplaced.

    Taking that a step further he looks as near a certainty as you can get to be placed and therefor is value at any price you can get. 1.6 and up I’m in there big time.

    #313187
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    I take the view that Midas Touch stays better than the others and is probably the most genuine of all the contenders. Not a good thing by any means, but he is my sporting selection – for want of a better phrase.

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    #313193
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    Midas Touch best horse in the race, can’t go wrong at the prices.

    #313195
    DawnR1986
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    Rewilding for me :D

    #313205
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    Rewilding backers might want to have a look at the subsequent form of the Predominate/Cocked Hat stakes in which he was so impressive.

    There are no subsequent winners and of those who have run, several have finished last. The best subsequent performance comes from the eighth, Averroes, and that was unplaced.

    It might hack up unextended judging by the performance of the Godolphin horses recently, but I wouldn’t bet on it at a short price.

    If the horse does bomb out Leger enthusiasts might want to consider backing the rapidly improving Dandino this lunchtime.

    #313227
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    Very impressive by Rewilding … can’t argue with his favouritism for the Leger … would guess his odds for the Arc will shorten dramatically as well after that.

    Think the punt on TC for the Leger is a non-starter, TAPK … knew it wasn’t his day as soon as he started to drift … be surprised of he runs again this season.

    #313229
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    Midas Touch running on at the finish again despite being in the fast lane throughout the race, different tactics at Doncaster would be interesting – promsing run.

    Winner looked a beauty in the paddock!

    #313230
    Onthesteal
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    I get the feeling the only way Midas Touch can finish in front of Rewilding in the Leger, is if they try to make it an extreme test and run the kick out of Rewilding.

    7/1 for MT looks absolutely cracking e/w value at this stage.

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