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Rewilding must be a short price favourite for the Leger. Tried to get on at 5/2, but it couldn’t have lasted more than a few seconds.
There are reasons to suggest Midas Touch has a chance of revercing the form. Bin Surror might not be in such brilliant form come September. Murtagh had MT up with a fast pace (too fast?). Rewilding and Joshua Tree came from further back. Midas Touch is better than distances suggest. Will stay / improve over further (Rewilding likely to do so too) and 7/1 each way might be the bet for the Leger.
Value Is EverythingThe lines that were drawn at the end of last season & then at the begining of this were merely confirmed today! (After others!!!)
A promising 2010 vintage
Spring is synonymous with hope to the thoroughbred. The classic 2010 season looks promising, after reading what we saw last Thursday at Maisons-Laffitte (Price and Jebel Reckless), then reopen Sunday at Longchamp. Some references to the fall have confirmed, while new talents seem to hatch. So much better.
In the Prix Noailles, the impression left by the "blue" Planter and the "beige", Rewilding was excellent. Both foals have produced a beautiful and long acceleration in the straight. First striker, having had a run in gold in the back of the undefeated Tenacious Spring which has boldly attempted a chance to enjoy their fitness progress, the partner of Anthony Crastus immediately took his distance. He has not released then, even if Rewilding redid a lot of ground on him to finish a length and a half. Between those two and "Royer" Ivory Land, the gap (five laps) dug in the last 400 meters was impressive, with an excellent time (33”43).
If galloped a little under the knees, Planter is terribly effective and can probably be "loose" over the outputs. In the circle, the son of Danehill Dancer (a template with a beautiful head and expressive free) is also published some more asphalt and less "fit" the little brother of Dar Re Mi from the German stallion Tiger Hill. Planters had not been seen since his success in a "B" September 24 and his second at this level since Nov. 9. If they are both engaged in the Prix Greffulhe and Jockey Club, the resident Elie Lellouche was also involved in the Poule d’Essai des Foals, if it fails to place. His first steps performed on 2,100 meters have removed any ambiguity later held.
Of the 1,400 meter Prix Djebel, Makfi posted its pretensions and its seriousness, Thursday at Maisons-Laffitte for his return, winning three lengths frank face Too Nice Name, Rewilding second in last fall. What lines become solid in early April.
Side Nagy?
Do Godolphin know their form lines that’s the question?!
Yeah! – they did to win this…but :
It seems as if Godolphin have become obsessed with winning the Leger!!
And along the way have missed out on the Irish Derby and a place in the King George and maybe the winner of the Grand Prix De Paris?….
There are reasons to suggest Midas Touch has a chance of revercing the form. Bin Surror might not be in such brilliant form come September. Murtagh had MT up with a fast pace (too fast?).
GT,
Rewilding is trained by Mahmood Al Zarooni, so I guess you can discount Bin Suroor’s form come September.
JohnJ
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It might be worth recalling that both 1st and 2nd were beaten pointless by the oft-maligned Workforce in the Derby, and that the runs of both Midas Touch and Monterosso confirm the Irish Derby form as not worth a hatful of crabs.
Also shows that the OH’s rating of 135 for Harbinger is probably much nearer the mark than Timeform’s; 3lb better performance than Nijinsky’s KG, indeed?There are reasons to suggest Midas Touch has a chance of revercing the form. Bin Surror might not be in such brilliant form come September. Murtagh had MT up with a fast pace (too fast?).
GT,
Rewilding is trained by Mahmood Al Zarooni, so I guess you can discount Bin Suroor’s form come September.
JohnJ
Point taken John, one of those things you forget about.
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I’m having trouble coming to terms with the love affair some here have with Midas Touch. Is his name more appealing than his form? He’s an on pace runner that likes to track the leaders and has to be a huge doubt at the Leger trip. He keeps getting run down in the last furlong by superior animals over a mile and a half. How does that equate to a likely Leger winner?
I can’t help but think that ten furlongs would be a better trip for this fellow just like his mother. I’ll be continuing to lay him while he goes off at 6/1 or less in 12f+ races. Perhaps they can adjust their targets and aim for the Champion Stakes instead?
Y’re ‘avin a larf.
Midas Touch a 10 furlong horse. Nah!When there is a fair or true pace, the best place a stayer (at the trip) can be is racing prominently; as they don’t have sufficient change of gear. Midas Touch tracked an overly strong pace. Even a stayer won’t be able to maintain the gallop in such conditions. When he’s cried enough, those who’ve gone an even pace throughout (those held up off a strong early pace, like Rewilding and Joshua Tree) will be slowing down at a slower rate than Midas Touch.
It isn’t that Midas Touch has a better chance of winning than Rewilding. Far from it. It’s just the prices available for the Leger are based on the distances when they passed the line. The run of the race did not help Midas Touch, and so 7/1 looks worth taking each way. At this stage I’d want better than 85/40 Rewilding and 5/1 Midas Touch.
Will he stay?
In his races prior to yesterday Midas Touch has struggled for a change of gear, outspeeded in the last two furlongs yet staying on at the same pace. At one point I thought he was going to be swallowed up by Jan Vermeer and Monterosso in the Irish Derby, but stayed on the better.By Galileo, a stamina influence, out of Approach (1m2f winner) who in tern is out of Last Second (Nassau winner). This female line is an outstanding family. Approach is by another stamina influence in Darshaan. This Saddlers Wells (or further back Northern Dancer) cross with Shirley Heights (or further back Mill Reef) has produced numerous mile and a half plus stamina horses.
It’s found in the first three home in last year’s King George VI, Conduit, Tartan Bearer and Ask. Former also a Leger winner.So in my opinion the way Midas Touch races and breeding suggests further will suit.
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By Galileo, a stamina influence, out of Approach
Galileo progeny strike at 18% at 10-11f and 12% at 14f+
The dam was a dead set ten furlong horse who, like her son, also won at seven furlongs. The grand dam was a 6, 7 and 10f winner.
I’ll stick by my opinions no matter how you choose to respond. Best of luck.
I respond:
I’d imagine most of the mares that visit Galileo have more speed than he does. You would not expect a sprinter or miler dam to produce a stayer even with Galileo as a sire.
Galileo has got a few top class milers, Rip Van Winkle and Lush Lashes (though she stayed middle distances). New Approach 2nd in the Guineas arguably better at middle distances, Derby, Champion (despite a headstrong character). But those that are best at 10 furlongs and shorter tend to have sprinting or miler dams.Only last year, Galileo was responsible for runner up in the St Leger Kite Wood. Who is out of a mare by Mark Of Esteem. So has a grand sire of Darshaan (similarly bred to Midas Touch). But even more so was Irish St Leger and Cadran winner Alandi. By Galileo out of a Darshaan mare.
Galileo has a 10.9f average distance winner for three year olds. That includes sprint and miler dams. The great stamina influence of Montjeu is only 11.3.
Value Is EverythingSomeone might like to move some of the above posts to Gerald’s St Leger thread?
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Maybe I was a little bit harsh in saying different tactics could improve Midas Touch’s chances; this is what I had coming into The Voltiger with the last figure being their latest effort
Midas Touch
(96) (91) (98)Monterosso
(89) (90) (96)Dancing David
(90) (89) (97)Harris Tweed
(86) (92) (88)Joshua Tree
(72) (81) (91)Momkinzain
(-) (-) (75)Rewilding
(89) (89) (95)Simenon
(82) (77) (82)Ted Spread
(80) (86) (67)Total Command
(71) (86) (79)THE GREAT VOLTIGEUR
102 Rewilding (G1)
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98 Midas Touch (G2)
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96 Joshua Tree (LST+)
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90 Ted Spread (HANDICAPPERS/POOR RUNS)
83 Monterosso
82 Simenon
76 Harris Tweed
76 Dancing David
66 Total Command
60 MomkinzainI have no regrets about my money going on Midas Touch and never will when results like this work out to the ratings, I could never have put Rewilding improving 7 points from his Derby run but this definatly puts him in the serious category and it will be vital for him to reproduce this figure or near enough at Donaster to be considered one of the best 3 year olds this year but theres every chance he could bounce.
The Irish Derby looks solid in my book and Midas Touch has traits I like by showing consistancy to put back to back ratings although with a figure of 98 its basically indicating he’s a Group 2 horse now and will always be suseptible to a "Rewilding" as you can you see the gap in class. I thought he could improve to become a Group 1 horse and if he could of got within a few more lengths closer to Rewilding breaking that gap although I think its time to leave him alone now as his best chances maybe in small fields.
Even though he’s not the most impressive horse Aidan O’Brien has trained i’ve enjoyed my journey throughout the season with this horse and maybe a step up in trip will suit but I doubt it despite my longing hope of Midas Touch to improve into a genuine Group 1 horse, it brings me back to the Kite Wood situtaion, maybe im just unlucky but i’ll be working on reassessing things in the future.
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For whatever reason Kite Wood’s dam has produced a 3 mile NH horse by Zafonic and a two mile stayer on the flat. I wouldn’t clutch at Galileo’s "staying" contribution there other than producing a higher class foal than the other sires who were successful at producing winners from Kite Mark.
Alandi comes from a typical Aga Khan female line that stays like a bad mother in law. Galileo again seemed to add more quality to the resultant offspring than other sires.
I think Galileo offers superior quality to his offspring in many cases but the staying power comes from the mares. I see no reason to change my mind regarding the staying prowess of Midas Touch based on the evidence before me.
By all means transfer to St Leger thread. I was simply following the flow of the conversation on this thread.
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