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- June 30, 2008 at 01:00 #170872
Wasn’t Youmzain only beaten by Dylan Thomas in the Arc on the bob?
June 30, 2008 at 01:33 #170877
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Given that the race was run 3.4 secs faster than standard, the official going description of g/s is an absolute joke.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the result reversed on softer ground and a stiffer track.June 30, 2008 at 11:20 #170927Given that the race was run 3.4 secs faster than standard, the official going description of g/s is an absolute joke.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the result reversed on softer ground and a stiffer track.Going was described as good I believe. You could say that about the outcome of many races and I think Youmzain deserves a bit more credit and deserved this in what was his tenth straight group 1 race.
June 30, 2008 at 11:26 #170928He is the forgotten horse isnt he?
Was a clear winner yesterday and no question which is the superior horse… but wouldnt we all feel a bit easier about him if he was trained elsewhere?
Is that too harsh???
June 30, 2008 at 11:32 #170929He is the forgotten horse isnt he?
Was a clear winner yesterday and no question which is the superior horse… but wouldnt we all feel a bit easier about him if he was trained elsewhere?
Is that too harsh???
Perhaps some truth in that, Channon isn’t exactly considered one of the elite. He finished second in the Arc to the best middle distance horse in Europe last year so he is no slouch.
June 30, 2008 at 13:11 #170957Its taken connections long enough to work out riding out the back and trying to make up double-figure quantities of lengths on top class horses in Group 1’s takes some doing.
June 30, 2008 at 13:38 #170968I dont know if youmzain is under-rated, but he has certainly been overlooked by many.
The thing with Youmzain is he loves good ground, he has a better turn of foot at 1m4f than any of the older generation at that distance.
With that in mind he should have an amazing chance in any group 1 on those terms, and maybe even in the international too.
He would have won the arc with another metre added on, as hughes mistimed him, and that has probably been the case with him a few times in group1 company.
His beating in the Coronation Cup was due to terrible judgement of pace by hughes once again. They have now decided to ride him more prominently, but if they go too fast that way he could be beaten again.
I think he would be a much more serious contender in group1s with a jockey who knows the difference between a snails pace and a slog, which IMO is not one of richard hughes strong points.
June 30, 2008 at 13:40 #170970And thus recognises one of the negatives of retainers.
June 30, 2008 at 16:02 #171003I find it very hard to understand how the form of a horse beaten a head in the top middle-distance race in Europe by the top-rated horse could have been under-rated. Never mind about the jockey, the trainer or the going. It was possble to get 20/1 on him for the KG, I think, a day or two before; and 25s a little earlier.
Such anomalous betting – and most of us are guilty of it at different times, me frequently – makes the industry tick and pay for those who do read the runes.
Having said that, there’s many a slip ‘twixt cup and lip, and he’s not won it yet. But the value was there.
June 30, 2008 at 17:50 #171014Every time I back this horse it gets beat into fourth or unplaced.
Every time I don’t it wins or finishes placed at a big price…
That really frickin annoys me!!!!
Despite all that I’m glad he’s picked up a top G1 (Apologies to all german horse racing fans but his previous G1 win was weak). I’m glad for Channon as well who doesn;t always get the plaudits he perhaps deserves. A man who is not afraid to stick his neck out and go for it which is to be applauded in my book.
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