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  • #25864
    Coggy
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    Does anyone know why all the jockeys refused to attend the enquiry held regarding the start of the National ?

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    #474715
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    In this modern age I can’t believe we are still starting races with a piece of knicker elastic, makes our sport look a laughing stock. Isn’t this something that the people in charge of the laughable Racing for Change should be looking at?

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    Avatar photoKenh
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    In this modern age I can’t believe we are still starting races with a piece of knicker elastic, makes our sport look a laughing stock. Isn’t this something that the people in charge of the laughable Racing for Change should be looking at?

    there is no such organisation as Racing For Change anymore.

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    I was at the start today and it was farcical. They are going to have another Esha Ness situation on their hands if they’re not careful. The starter was pitiful, no control, authority or command of basic communication (despite having a tannoy to communicate with the jockeys).

    The jockeys ended up making the decisions for him in the absence of him taking any sort of control. In addition I think a handler was lucky not to get run over in the melee that accompanied the false start.

    They need to have a good think about it. A big white line 100 yards from the tape and then walk in or similar.

    I’ve been down there a couple of years now and it has been chaos every time. A disaster waiting to happen I’m afraid.

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    In this modern age I can’t believe we are still starting races with a piece of knicker elastic, makes our sport look a laughing stock. Isn’t this something that the people in charge of the laughable Racing for Change should be looking at?

    Knicker elastic would be fine if the jockeys were actually capable of obeying instructions. All that distance ahead of them and they seem obsessed with getting a Lochsong style start. It is easy to blame the starter but the jockeys are warned beforehand what they should do and they ignore it every year barging into the tapes like maniacs.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I see, reading Chris Cook’s article, that it was a member of the starting team that was knocked over. I’d question why he was where he was at the time, slap bang in the middle of 40 horses approaching the tape.

    The jockeys were obviously eager to get on with it and I guess that is part of the problem. But, in their defence, it was very difficult to know what was going on, what he wanted them to do. In the end I think he let them go the second time because he had little choice in the matter.

    It just seems there is no clear procedure, no clear communication to the jockeys. Presumably there is (a clear procedure) but it didn’t look like it.

    #474726
    eddie case
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    Jumps starts are farcical, most of them are on the run, at an angle from off the track. Absolutely barmy, no wonder Carruthers jockey got knocked off in the previous race.

    It’s only the skill of the jockeys that prevents a lot more cock ups.

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    stilvi
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    Should never have called them back in the first instance. Battle Group was facing the correct way it was just his own fault that he planted himself. Fair enough if it was a four-horse race round Plumpton but not a good idea to potentially mess up the chances of 39 others in the most high profile race of the year just for the sake of one rogue.

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    Should never have called them back in the first instance. Battle Group was facing the correct way it was just his own fault that he planted himself. Fair enough if it was a four-horse race round Plumpton but not a good idea to potentially mess up the chances of 39 others in the most high profile race of the year just for the sake of one rogue.

    BHA Stewards enquiry

    4.15, fifth race

    The Stewards held an enquiry following a report from the Starter that Sam Twiston-Davies, the rider of TIDAL BAY (IRE), Mr S Waley-Cohen, the rider of LONG RUN (FR), Andrew Tinkler, the rider of HUNT BALL (IRE), Barry Geraghty, the rider of TRIOLO D’ALENE (FR), Noel Fehily, the rider of ROCKY CREEK (IRE), Brian O’Connell, the rider of QUITO DE LA ROQUE (FR), Mark Walsh, the rider of COLBERT STATION (IRE), Wayne Hutchinson, the rider of WALKON (FR), Richard Johnson, the rider of BALTHAZAR KING (IRE), Jack Doyle, the rider of WAYWARD PRINCE, Ryan Mania, the rider of MR MOONSHINE (IRE), Nick Schofield, the rider of TEAFORTHREE (IRE), Henry Brooke, the rider of ACROSS THE BAY (IRE), A P McCoy, the rider of DOUBLE SEVEN (IRE), A E Lynch, the rider of BUCKERS BRIDGE (IRE), Davy Russell, the rider of LION NA BEARNAI (IRE), Paul Townend, the rider of PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE (FR), Paul Carberry, the rider of MONBEG DUDE (IRE), Peter Buchanan, the rider of BIG SHU (IRE), Brian Harding, the rider of BURTON PORT (IRE), Denis O’Regan, the rider of OUR FATHER (IRE), Jamie Moore, the rider of MOUNTAINOUS (IRE), Aidan Coleman, the rider of THE RAINBOW HUNTER, Brian Hughes, the rider of VINTAGE STAR (IRE), Tom O’Brien, the rider of CHANCE DU ROY (FR), Ryan Mahon, the rider of HAWKES POINT, Wilson Renwick, the rider of KRUZHLININ (GER), Leighton Aspell, the rider of PINEAU DE RE (FR), Michael Byrne, the rider of GOLAN WAY, Richie McLernon, the rider of TWIRLING MAGNET (IRE), Katie Walsh, the rider of VESPER BELL (IRE), Tom Scudamore, the rider of THE PACKAGE, Davy Condon, the rider of RAZ DE MAREE (FR), Jake Greenall, the rider of ROSE OF THE MOON (IRE), David Bass, the rider of SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM (IRE), Paul Moloney, the rider of ALVARADO (IRE), Robert Colgan, the rider of LAST TIME D’ALBAIN (FR), Adam Wedge, the rider of ONE IN A MILAN (IRE) AND Conor O’Farrell, the rider of SWING BILL (FR) had lined up despite being advised by the Assistant Starter, who was positioned in front of the field, that it was not yet race time and then proceeded towards the start.

    When these riders moved forward towards the start they knocked down the Assistant Starter, thereby comprising the welfare of an Official. After taking initial evidence from the riders and the Starting Team, the Stewards adjourned the Enquiry to consider the matter. In attempting to re-convene the Enquiry after the last race, the riders, who had not been given permission to leave the course, refused to attend the Enquiry. The Stewards have referred the matter to the British Horseracing Authority.

    The Stewards held an enquiry to consider why Jack Doyle, the rider of WAYWARD PRINCE, which fell at the fourth-last fence, had continued in the race when his horse appeared to be exhausted. They interviewed the rider and having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race the Stewards found him in breach of Rule (D)45.3 and suspended him for 12 days as follows: Saturday 19 April to Saturday 26 April inclusive and Thursday 1, Friday 2, Saturday 3 and Monday 5 June 2014.

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    All 39 jockeys have received a two day racing ban for their actions.

    If it were me I’d appeal the decision as in my view the false start wasn’t their fault

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    All 39 jockeys have received a two day racing ban for their actions.

    If it were me I’d appeal the decision as in my view the false start wasn’t their fault

    The enquiry and any ban they received was nothing to do with the false start. It was for lining up before time despite being told not to. In other words they disobeyed an order from the starter. It’s in the BHA Stewards Enquiry report posted above.

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    …and the call from the official that it was not yet time was clearly audible on the TV coverage.

    #474827
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    Should never have called them back in the first instance. Battle Group was facing the correct way it was just his own fault that he planted himself. Fair enough if it was a four-horse race round Plumpton but not a good idea to potentially mess up the chances of 39 others in the most high profile race of the year just for the sake of one rogue.

    I completely agree, in fact I think any horse who has refused to race in the past should be barred from the Grand National. It is tough enough trying to organise a start when you have idiot jockeys disobeying instructions they were made aware of before the race, and pandering to a horse who has his own mind about the game is not on as far as I am concerned. Tough luck to connections, if you want a runner in the race, get a horse who is willing 100% of the time.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #474829
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    All 39 jockeys have received a two day racing ban for their actions.

    That’s totally unfair.

    They should have got a

    week

    each!

    It’s pretty simple really:-

    WAIT until the starter says GO.

    DON’T rush the tapes.

    What part of that do jockey’s fail to understand?

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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