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Anyone sure Gordon has done this only once in the past? It would be quite a remarkable coincidence to have a picture taken the only time you ever sat on a deceased horse.
I think the next few weeks could be very interesting ones….
The funny thing that I was thinking is that when we were all in the state of “it must be fake” some people pointed out pixelisations of Elliot’s knee and arm and fingers not being quite right. Maybe we should be asking now was this because of who was “cropped out” or covered over by the photoshop masheen…..
More than likely poor picture quality jack, if it was 4 years ago, nothing else
Ruby, again what is with the baseless assumptions, this isnt an agenda against elliott by making up whatever nonsense you can to oust him, he should be judged on the matter at hand and only that.
Now, if something else separate came out then fair enough at that point, But until then, stop with the conspiracies.
Although the picture is disgusting, after pondering this for 24 hours or so I’m not sure I want to see a man’s entire life ruined over it.
He deserves a lengthy ban but maybe in time and with the appropriate contrition then people can start to show a little forgiveness for what was a moment of absolute stupidity.
Having said that, I will not be able to respect the man again.
Agree MC. He has been stupid, deserves the book to be thrown at him and he will have to accept what is coming.
However, I do not think there should be any sort of witch hunt or lynch mob. There are all sorts of internet rumours but he is entitled to the presumption of innocence unless such allegations are proved.
I have served on disciplinary panels at work which have dismissed people. I am satisfied we took the right decisions but it is a very heavy responsibility. Even though standards must be upheld and correct procedure and precedent followed, there is still a human being on the receiving end no matter how stupid or unacceptable their conduct has been.
I heard the stuff about his behaviour with women, pretty well as described in that tweet, from an owner a couple of years back. She’s rather attractive herself and it was at aintree
Having said that, it was pissed up behaviour rather than genuinely sinister. Never excuses it and always baffles me but worth pointing that out. But she did say he was “out of control”
I’m with those that dislike someones life ruined for one bit of stupidity. We all make mistakes.
Theres a lot of sanctimonious screaming these days. Especially from the few remaining Guardian readers out there
National Hunt racing is at a bit of a crossroads here. Horses are used for entertainment only with the respect of society at large. The images of the last few days will have significantly decreased that. Our moral arguments that racehorses are treated like kings lay in the gutter.
I believe that Mr Elliott should be fully kicked out of racing – a permanent lifetime ban. If the sport is to have any moral leg to stand on in future, it needs to show that Mr Elliott is not only not representative of racing, but that people who commit such disgusting acts have zero future in the game. Anything less will be seen as vacillation by the wider public.
This is incredibly harsh I realise, but frankly, I think Mr Elliott may be realistically in that position anyway and more pertinently, racing has to be seen to be totally unaccepting of behaviour such as his. I believe this incident (and now seemingly, a multiplicity of incidents) is a very real threat to jump racing’s existence in the modern world.
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“Mr Elliott may be realistically in that position anyway”.
I expect that will be the case when some of his leading owners jump ship. I will be very surprised if Cheveley Park and JP McManus stay with him.
Unreal, you go to bed and when you wake up there is another one doing the rounds. Never seen an image of a dead racehorse before, now i have seen two in two day, and both of them have an Irishman jumping on the them. It must be a tradition or something they have going on over there.
An extract from Francis Graffard’s condemnation in the Racing Post this morning of that photo says it all..straight from the heart…
“Sadness. How does anyone feel anything other than sadness on the death of a horse. In training, their death – by natural causes or accident – is often swift and traumatic, due to the sudden extinction of something that was previously a mass of dynamic unpredictability, fast, intelligent, brave and entrusted to our care.
“Horses are at the very centre of our industry, they provide emotion, entertainment, employment, contribute to local economy, bind communities together, they can bring financial reward and ruin, they are often the catalyst to love [and divorce].
Graffard added: “Without a responsibility to horses, and those who care for them, our industry makes no sense, and those emotions quickly become empty, the entertainment shallow and cruel.
“Our industry is made up of so many good people who have done nothing to deserve the tarnish that comes with this. Think of them, those that ask to be proud of what they do and the industry they work in.”
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Great to see the truth revealed, isn’t it?
And once again, I bet this is not the end….. There will be so much more to come.
These people should be banned for life from any racecourses in the world.
I wonder what BIGMOUTH Walsh has to say….
Spot on, Mike. Some are rebelling against what they see as a witch hunt, but it’s not about Elliott now, it’s about the future of racing. Not about what we think, about what the man in the street thinks about continuing to support racing silently. ‘Social contract’ is much overused, but that’s exactly what we have with the non racing public, especially with NH racing.
IHRB have already endangered the sport by their lack of action. Give him due process, of course, give him all he’s entitled to and the full protection of all laws; but, for now, suspend his license.
Morgan was out of Gilt Ridden (his dam) ……
What a coincidence!!!The Daily Mail video:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9315695/FRESH-SHAME-RACING-New-video-shows-jockey-Rob-James-jumping-dead-horse.htmlThink that may be reaching a little there joe, the sport hasnt been dragged into cataclysmic failure as a result of the picture, it wont be either, it will however have to deal with backlash… for a good while.
Theyll be no convicing the man on the street about racings integrity either… bigger things going on in the wod currently.
Its just more fuel to be added to socia media onslaughts, which racing will have to endure.
But it will endure it
And no swift banning should take place either, theres hundreds of livelyhoods at stake, its not as simple as that.
Rob james video is a different matter, thats alot easier to deal with and the context is a lot clearer than elliots picture.
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