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  • #258331
    insomniac
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    Insomniac,

    "Tratorious" – you mean he eats in Italian restaurants. My God, things are even worse than I suspected!

    AP

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    #258419
    clivexx
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    Foul ‘journalism’. I suspect that this has rebounded on the Sun a bit. It was nasty and even many of those that dislike Brown must be revulsed. it has also brought tp attention to the public his disablity which he has creditbly never sought to exploit. I really feel for him during this episode, but he may in a funny way have gained from it. Theres still a sense of fair play in this country. For all his faults, there is a genuine side to him

    #14185
    insomniac
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    The continuing "revelations" by Peter Watt and now Andrew Rawnsley that Gordon Brown is a bad-tempered bully are all very amusing but, does this stop you from being good at your job? I don’t think it does.
    Now I’m no fan of Gordon Brown – detest him – but being a bully, whilst not exactly being a nice trait, doesn’t make you incapable. Sir Alex Ferguson has probably displayed a similar temper in his time, yet few would say he’s a useless manager.
    What does rather surprise me though is how many in the MSM now come out with comments that it was common knowledge amongst the journos that haunt Westminster that Brown was a vicious, bully (even to quite junior staff).
    If they knew this, why didn’t they write about it and inform their readers who, one might think, would have liked to have known such things?
    They could have got the message across without risking being sued surely. Or are they just cowards who didn’t want to incur the wrath of a ruling party that may have punished them by keeping them out of the know?
    Similarly, if Brown is such an odious monster, why didn’t any of his cabinet colleagues stand up to him and make sure he wasn’t eased into the PM’s job?

    #278297
    Grasshopper
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    Similarly, if Brown is such an odious monster, why didn’t any of his cabinet colleagues stand up to him and make sure he wasn’t eased into the PM’s job?

    Because there is more backbone in a jelly-fish, than the entire Cabinet – as thorough a collection of self-serving, toadying, shite-bags, as you could ever hope to have run a country (into the ground).

    #278303
    clivexx
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    Been reading the ever readable Rawnsley today. Its horrible reading frankly and in many ways your heart goes out to someone whos clearly struggling emotionally with the job

    the key observation was browns inability to delegate. That is always fatal with any manager at any level. Everything stems from that although his terible temperament is the root cause.

    Although Nixon wasnt such a bad manager, personality wise, hes the closest i can think of to Brown

    #278327
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    I’m no fan of Brown but Rawnsley reads as another Blairite twisting the knife.

    That said, across public service there seems to be a culture of control freakery and lack of willingness to delegate these days.

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    A strange man imv who will come to regret not having the courage of his own convictions.

    Could have been a great PM will probably become a great elder statesman when the pressure is off. It’s just all a bit of a shame really.

    However, I do wish he would stop doing that grinning smiling thingy he does….looks a right weirdo if you ask me….

    #278338
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    Most of the British (nay, make that English) voters are fickle. Most like to be on the side of the winner – and most are taken in by the manipulative Murdoch led press/media propaganda. I heard one man say on the news the other evening that he was Labour, then Tory, then Labour, and is now… a floater ! Probably sums him up perfectly ! :wink:

    Gordon Brown is a good guy and is deeply misunderstood. His heart is definitely in the right place. Yes, he has made mistakes. Name any political leader who has not. Some of the vitriol thrown his way has, at times, been tantamount to racism.

    Tony Blair as a politician was devious and sly – " a man may smile and smile and still a villain be" – but his smarm, aided by the Campbell led spin machine, seemed to more than compensate for his lack of substance and political nous.

    I will be voting Labour.

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    #278350
    Ugly Mare
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    …so the English are fickle, that’s about 30 million voters written off, no one else of course. Such sweeping generalisations do you, nor anyone, any credit.

    …and what is wrong with being a floating voter? Or changing one’s opinions over the years?
    I see nothing wrong with it at all, we pick and choose as and when the time arrives without aligning to any party in particular. I admire that stance personally as opposed to such entrenched unchanging attitudes possessed by so many – all over the British Isles.

    I don’t believe in ‘safe seats’ either, there shouldn’t be any and no politician should feel as safe as houses.

    As in all walks of life, I find people work better if they are made to feel a little uncomfortable, insecure but in a job they really want to do. It’s not good practice, in my view, to allow anyone to think they have a job for life when working for the community. Utlimately it just makes them lazy and complacent.

    I had this discussion with Ian Davies here years ago and told him the same as I’m saying to you………….long live the floating voter, if only there were many more.

    #278352
    Kevin
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    I have to agree with Himself in that Brown appears to me a decent man doing his best. He gets my vote over smarmy Cameron. I have found some of the previous personal attacks on Brown such as on his disability to be very bad taste. Now I read in this thread that there was a “culture of bullying and mob-rule .. endemic in The Labour Party administration over the last 13 years “. Wasn’t Thatcher supposedly a blatant bully who terrorised her cabinet? Isn’t any strong leader going to p**s off someone and get accused of bullying?

    Of course the press love to make this a personality contest rather than focus on party policies and the real issues of what the parties are saying. However that would take some real journalism.

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    Christine Pratt has an appropriate surname. Surely she has no right revealing what is supposed to be highly confidential information as she works for an anti-bullying charity. Silly old cow that she is. The knives have been out for Brown in the English press from day one, he doesn’t make good news. They want Cameron in, as they probably feel he’d make better stories, and he’s English. As for politics, stick it where the sun don’t shine. The only good thing about politics is Question Time with David Dimbelby, and George Galloway arguing with people. Ask yourself not who the best party is, but who’s the least sh*ttest of the two ? I don’t even vote. If Brown’s a bully, then they’re all thieves. I’d imagine a tory victory would boost the SNP.

    #278358
    Avatar photoSea Pigeon
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    Gordon Brown is a puppet as is Cameron & Clegg. Whoever gets in will continue with the same agenda to take away your civil liberties, enslave you, destroy your health and take away everything you have.

    Do you know anything about Common Purpose?

    If not then watch video below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Pvs-pg … re=related

    #278450
    clivexx
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    Wheres that bloody nurse?

    #278453
    clivexx
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    The knives have been out for Brown in the English press from day one, he doesn’t make good news. They want Cameron in, as they probably feel he’d make better stories, and he’s English

    Paranoid or what…

    Are you totally oblivious to his obvious leadership failings?

    Ask yourself which past leader has made so many enenmies within his own party? it is extraordinary how many past ministers cant stand the bloke. This isnt "the press"

    You want a list?

    Did Blair and Major have so many colleagues that couldnt personally stand them? Not a chance… Even Thatcher never racked up so much mistrust within her own cabal to this degree. i have never known such a poisoness atmosphere within a ruling party (perhaps Wilson at a push)

    Its no good saying those saying it "doesnt matter" Dysfunctional goverment is bad full stop

    Hes NOT a leader. Hes a classic case of the control freak FD getting the CEO job of a corporation….and draining all the energy out of it. A familiar business scenario

    Its a sad state of affairs and he should leave for his and his familys good

    #278454
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    He is a TIT

    #278461
    Love Divine
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    Is it not a good thing that he loses his temper and gets frustrated? Who doesn’t lose their temper and have frustrations?
    If he’s a bully, what did that make Thatcher?

    #278465
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    It reached the point whereby advisors were holding back bad news from him because of fear of his reaction. That is destructive in any enviroment

    Also, ripping off at telephone receptionists and secretaries is bullying of the worst kind. Its awful.

    Regardless of what anyone thinks of her (Ive always had mixed feelings) Thatcher was known to be particularly thoughtful towards the staff at number 10. Thats come up a few times in bios.

    One thing i would say is that the going public by the charity was completely out of order. a disgrace frankly given that confidentiality is the bedrock of their supposed service

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