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Yes. Given two identical companies in balance sheet terms, i would certainly buy shares in the company that had a happy and motivated staff that respected its leadership rather than one whos leadership was dysfunctional
If i could buy shares in John Lewis i would. If i could buy shares in the Post Office i wouldnt
Anyway. Brown is dead now. Even the mild mannered Downing has stuck the knife in today
Doesnt it occur to you that it is not exactly an endorsement of his decision making and leadership skills when his staff hate him, his colleagues despise him and when things dont go his way, he throws tantrums?
A lot of people hated Churchill – didn’t stop him being bloody good at his job and people respecting him for that. A relative of mine worked very closely with him during the war, and said he was a pig of a man, but also said that nobody else could have done what he did and got Britain through it. He was always shouting at and bullying people.
Would you buy shares in Swiss Re? You have no idea who runs that company and even if you googled for a month of sundays, it wouldn’t tell you anything about the people in charge, so if you are going by word of mouth as to making a decision, you are listening to someone trying to sell a book, someone who has broken confidentiality rules and a lot of the trash press we unfortunately have in this country.
Churchill certainly did not fall out with colleagues at the rate that brown has, that much is certain
If you seriously think that the quality of man management has no bearing on a companies success or is at the very least not a factor, then may i suggest that you NEVER go into business yourself. You will be an unimitgated disaster
I am sure if you re read your history books, Churchill was far worse and had more to fall out with, but you chose to believe what you want.
Where did I say the quality of man management has no bearing? You are twisting what I have written. I said our MD is thought by everyone to be a dick with NO man management skills at all, but he is very good at his job, which we all acknowledge. He is not overly liked by anyone in the company, but we respect what he does and what he has to do to achieve what he does.
Please do not dare to presume you know anything about me personally at all: I have run successful a football team; I have run a franchise of a business on top of my full time job.This is about Brown and a trash book – not what I think you are capable of or what you think I am capable or not capable of achieving.
am sure if you re read your history books, Churchill was far worse and had more to fall out with
Thats complete rubbish. i know enough about chuchill to be fully aware that he did not fall out with colleagues to the extent that Brown has (which is extraordinary). How do you think he could had led a coalition government without respect from all sides of the house at all levels?
Dont patronise when you clearly have virtually no grasp on present or past events yourself
if you are unaware that Browns administration is completely dysfunctional on a management level, then you have clearly not even been remotely following the events of the past two years let alone the obvious pre premiership behaviour
What is also obvious is that you havent read the extracts from the book and you frankly shouldnt be commenting on them until you do.
am sure if you re read your history books, Churchill was far worse and had more to fall out with
Thats complete rubbish. i know enough about chuchill to be fully aware that he did not fall out with colleagues to the extent that Brown has (which is extraordinary). How do you think he could had led a coalition government without respect from all sides of the house at all levels?
Dont patronise when you clearly have virtually no grasp on present or past events yourself
if you are unaware that Browns administration is completely dysfunctional on a management level, then you have clearly not even been remotely following the events of the past two years let alone the obvious pre premiership behaviour
What is also obvious is that you havent read the extracts from the book and you frankly shouldnt be commenting on them until you do.
What about the military leaders he fell out with? They don’t count? Well no not for your argument they wouldn’t.
You chose to believe you know ‘enough’ to try and justify your argument concerning Brown.
No I haven’t read the extracts from teh book – I don’t need to – I can see from the crap on the news programmes what it is supposedly about, or not, and quite frankly I wouldn’t waste my time giving it credence.
I said don’t you dare to presume what I know or who I am – yet you persist.
Reading your signature just about says it all – someone doesn’t agree with you, resort to insults and violence. God forbid you ever have any authority or position of power with that mentality.You have said it all there. You wish to comment on Tv headlines but not the substance of the book (which was huge in last weeks Observer)
No credibility whatsoever…
How embarrassing to admit that
and even then you have clearly not been able to read between the lines of the follow ups (especially oDonell and Darling) to ascertain whether the book is "trash" or not
Fruitcake? Judge for yourself:-
"Rawnsley reveals that Brown rang Blair while he was staying with the Queen at Balmoral. He was furious that Alan Milburn, Blair’s close ally, had written a piece supporting the prime minister’s right to stay at No 10.
Rawnsley writes:
‘The chancellor’s fury was titanically demented even by his standards. ‘You put ******* Milburn up to it,’ Brown raged down the phone. ‘This is factionalism! This is Trotskyism! It’s ******* Trotskyism!’ Blair was nonplussed. He had not even seen the article. After the call, he then read it and phoned Milburn to say it was excellent. They laughed about Brown’s hysterical reaction.’"
Given these recent revelations it would seem Private Eye have lampooned Brown too accurately in their ‘Prime Ministerial Decree’ column for it to be called a lampooning at all
As was the case with their ‘Secret Diary of John Major aged 47 3/4’, ‘Dear Bill’ (Denis/Margaret Thatcher) and ‘St Albion Parish News’ (Tony Blair) parodies
The problem is that Rawnsley’s book is a work of fiction. He refuses to name any of his "24 carat" sources. So all we have are unsubstantiated allegations. You can take any snippet you want from the book. There are just as many that have been completely repudiated.
For example Rawnsley states the head of the civil service, Sir Gus O’Donnell, had a "pep talk" with Mr Brown about his behaviour towards staff following reports some were frightened by his temper. Sir Gus completely denied that last Wednesday. Indeed even Brown says the claims are wrong. But lets not let that get in the way of a good story.
I do not know if Brown is a Bully or not. I am not that bothered really. I am just reacting to the overhyping of the story when there is much more newsworthy and important things going on in the world. In my opinion the press coverage this last week has been disproportionate and malicious in an attempt simply to smear Brown’s character. They jumped on this Pratt woman’s madness and whipped up a storm of innuendo and anecdotes with no substance. I also think the public will see through this as it stinks.
Then you have the smarmy Cameron sniping from the side making all concerned. This is the man who employed Andy Coulson Andy Coulson, who resigned as editor of the News of the World over the royal phone-tapping scandal, to spearhead Cameron’s press operation.
Andy Coulson the Tories director of communications and planning. Famously the News of the World were ordered to pay one of their reporters £792,736 in compensation for being the victim of "a consistent pattern of bullying behavior", led by the paper’s then editor, Andy Coulson.
Now I think that is clear factual evidence of bullying behavior for the man tasked to rebrand the Conservative party with a softer image.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media … 30378.htmlThe problem is that Rawnsley’s book is a work of fiction. He refuses to name any of his "24 carat" sources
You really havent a clue have you?
Yet another leftie who was characteristically too lazy to read the actual extracts?
Have you ever read a political bio in your life?
of course he isnt going to name sources, thats how it works. They give the information on the basis that they havent been named
Are you really so thick that you think that Rawnsley, who is one of the top political jouros in the country (as anyone who doesnt rely on The Star would know) is simply going to sit down and make up 400 pages of fiction with god knows how many instances of Browns behaviour?
And did you really not understand ODonells comments? Couldnt read through them?
And has it opccured to you that with the worlds strictest libel lawas, a "complete work of fiction" would soon attract attention from lawyers?
I think it is widely accepted now that the allegations are cast iron
I do not know if Brown is a Bully or not. I am not that bothered really. I am just reacting to the overhyping of the story when there is much more newsworthy and important things going on in the world. In my opinion the press coverage this last week has been disproportionate and malicious in an attempt simply to smear Brown’s character.
Do you really think that a PM that is prone to tantrums and is clearly not in control of his behaviour isnt "newsworthy"?
The person elected to lead the country? Is out of control? Hated by his staff and despised by his colleagues?
Isnt it pretty obvious to anyone that (as we have seen) such a temperament leads to appaling decision making?
I think that is quite an issue isnt it?
he is a certainty to lose the next election and will go undoubtably go down as the worst premier since the war.
Interestingly, it has been pointed out that tantrum and explosive personalities are often complete ditherers in when faced with problems. it is a trait (and hae seen this in the workplace). Something we have seen with brown too isnt it?
Clive I think you really are behaving like a condescending ass.
I suppose you miss the irony that your own behaviour in this forum is prone to tantrums and explosive behaviour. Maybe you should sort out your own issues before you go about personally attacking people for expressing their views. Clearly on this forum you are over compensating for something and demonstrating much of the behaviour you appear to be accusing Brown of.
What I will not take from you is the personal abuse others appear to get when they present any opinion you do not concur with. Even in this thread I think you owe Love Divine an apology. Do not bother giving me one as I really do not give a toss what you think.
For your information I have read these extracts and I have read other political bios. You do not seem to have the attention span to read other people’s posts properly in this forum so do not try to take any moral high ground with me just because you have read something in the Observer. You are clearly prepared only to believe what you want to believe when it concurs with your own opinions. I note you choose not to comment on Cameron’s employment of Bully Boy Coulson to spear head his press operation.
You do not see anything wrong with a journalist writing anything he wants without proper evidence to back up what he claims. A properly referenced political bio is a different animal. Until Rawnsley reveals his “24 Carat” sources it’s all allegations and many of these have already been flatly denied by the very persons involved.The man has put a story together from various sources and much of it appears to be uncorroberated but published at this sensitive time to get maximum political effect and sales.
As for my being thick and lazy I do not really care for your opinion. Not for what you say but the way you say it. So let’s just agree to disagree and not bother with each other’s posts again on this Forum from now on.
I do not think I am alone in my view that the press have been singling out Brown and the Labour Party for some pretty shoddy treatment and dodgy journalism. I note the latest opinion polls report the gap between Labour & Tories down to 5% now so maybe people are beginning to see that. As we get to closer to an election maybe the electorate will see through this personality crap and vote on substance.
Wellm given that you claim to have "read the extracts" and then make a statement about "something youve read in The observer" (meaning me) i think you have made a complete prat of yourself havent dont you?
You are posting away on this seemingly unaware that the extracts WERE in the observer and ONLY in the observer
As for assertions such as that the work is "complete fiction" and then accuse others of believing what they want to believe
well….
Clive why are you being so rude and insulting? Ad hominem attacks are usually the sign someone is losing an argument.
CLIVE XX
i think you have shown your colours (BLUE) and you dont like brown ,the end!
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