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I suppose yeah. If i thought the horse was good enough myself, i wouldn’t care if Nico De Boinville rode him or not.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Ship I’m struggling to see where you are coming from , you call Alboum and Native River vanilla horses , vanilla horses don’t win 2 gold cups or in Natives case a gold cup, numerous grade 1 and 2,s, Hennessey and a welsh gn off top weight and still even at eleven be one of the best staying chasers in England , champ hasn’t achieved anywhere near that despite being 9
As for believing Alboum is 167 not 175 yet champ can be high 170s …Alboum has delievered the performances for that mark , if we are to believe you then champ will beat Alboum by 10 lengths ….I can’t see that …esp as he will clatter the fences going around , he may win but if he does it won’t be by far
I think you’re wrong, HDLG. I’m not saying Native River or Al Boum Photo aren’t in the top 0.2% or whatever of staying chasers. They clearly are. But if you’re rating them against other Gold Cup winners, I think they’d be in the bottom half.
It’s like Best Mate, isn’t it? On bare ratings, he was not a truly great Gold Cup winner. He had some great qualities for consistency and jumping and he won the thing three times, but on actual performances he was just a bit better than mediocre.
Native has only been out of the first 3 in 14 runs….and that was 4th in a GC , he’s not Kauto star , he wouldn’t win a tingle creek but in the same way Kauto wouldn’t have won a welsh gn , you have to look at the way he has held his form , most horses are never the same after winning a GC , he,s also come back from 2 tendon injuries , I can’t see how he,s in the bottom half of GC winners
Native River is an admirable horse. I like him. I’d love to have him in my back garden. He’s tough, he’s consistent, he has lasted a long time.
But if we’re talking about ratings and basic ability, he’s a sub-average Gold Cup winner. I don’t think that’s a particularly controversial summary of Native River.
Best Mate could have won 5 times at the Festival. He travelled the furthest in the Supreme and wasn’t suited by the 2 mile trip and he was robbed of an Arkle win the year after due to Food and Mouth.
He won a King George and was 2nd in it the year before, he also won an Ericsson Chase in 2003 and was 2nd a year later after banging his head while on the ferry to Ireland.
I doubt that Al Boum Photo is that good…..
Ship he,s been the best English stayer of the last few years , which horses are you comparing him to ? , the year he won he beat that years KG winner ….what more could he have done
I give up, kid – I don’t think you grasp what I’m saying. Have you noticed the little numbers on the right of the racecard?
They’re called ratings. They are used to compare horses in terms of their level of ability.
Native River won a very poor Gold Cup, beating a very poor King George winner, in specialist conditions that were much better suited to him than most other horses in the race.
Of all the Gold Cup winners since the year 1999, I would only place Lord Windermere and Synchronised below him.
Ship I’m not a kid …ratings aren’t everything , is cyrname the best chaser in training …of course not , you believe what you want to I’ve made my point , just out of interest which horses are you putting above him from recent years …Kauto and Denman I more than understand anything else I’d say would be debatable
Cant understand running royale pagaille here, i wouldnt give him a chance, will be place laying on the day, not a chance a horse shows nothing for two seasons off mid 130s/40s then wins a ho gold cup….
Royale Pagaille is a staying chaser who has won 3 out of 3 chases this season and is improving at a rate of knots. Currently rated 166. Connections are fully justified to let this horse take its chance in the gold cup. Has improved with every run this year and if he improves again on the day then he is a potential winner here. Connections would be insane not to run him.
Unproven on the likely faster ground certainly casts doubts to the likelihood of him winning but if he handles it or even improves for better ground then he is a major player.
Its a fair shout giving it a go. Monkfish is running here next year and Envoi Allen as well probably, plus A Plus Tard Champ and Al Boum Photo to name a few.
Burrough Hill Lad, The Thinker, Charter Party, Master Oats, Native River – all progressive staying chasers (won three Welsh Nationals and a Midlands National between them) who ended up winning Cheltenham Gold Cups.
It tends to happen in less-than-vintage open years, but it does occasionally happen.
Royal Pagaille has rocketed to 166 after winning by an easy street at Haydock Park in a contest where it’s debateable how many of his rivals, if any, ran to their marks.
He would probably be best served by desperate ground too and, if the Clerk Of The Course is to be believed, the same surface where racing was abandoned waterlogged end of January is now Good to Soft.
Royal Pagaille needs to improve again to win it, and he’s a novice with no Cheltenham experience, but he’s only seven and clearly improving so I would not entirely rule him out.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"While I’d love to see native river win it all points to al boum photo getting the hat trick. Royal Pagaille could upset the odds and could win but a plus tard for the forecast for me.
Well, Yeah id be ruling him out anyway, he hasnt a chance, his ratings fictional and has no substance in this depth, will be lucky to finish in the first 6, but it is ballsy to run him and have to give them credit for that, atleast theyll be no what ifs.
While i take the arguements hes young, hes had plenty of time to show himself, hes had 17 starts, thats a fair amount, only 5 in the uk for perspective, but i wont believe that rating until i see him running in a grade 1, handicapper.
Paddy Power lost the plot. 33’s for Kemboy, don’t fancy him really but be rude not to.
Colin Tizzard’s horses are outrunning their odds and grabbing some decent place money. I can’t resist 33/1 ew five places about Lostintranslation. Considering the run he put in last year when the stable were in dire form; I can’t rule out a big run once more.
Royal Pagaille could be anything and I’d love for Venetia Williams to train a Gold Cup winner. 9/1 still fair.
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