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    A great performance from ‘Native River’ today and he is certainly a Gold cup player,I wouldn’t be confident about him on faster surface though.Bristol des mai ran flat there and he’s gone out to 36’s on the machine,I think he’s better than that and have taken it.Come cheltenham Daryl needs to ride him like he knows he’ll stay and make all,its win or bust for him as he did not enjoy todays tactics.

    If he makes cheltenham …

    #1286936
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    Convinced me to back NR at the price. Clearly it would y satisfying to see thsitlecrack or the wonderful cue card win but this fellow is just the full package. You can see him relishing the hill like no other. Lovely attitude. I’m not convinced at all he’s needs give either. The Hennessy must have been run on ground that was pretty close to good

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    A great performance from ‘Native River’ today and he is certainly a Gold cup player,I wouldn’t be confident about him on faster surface though.Bristol des mai ran flat there and he’s gone out to 36’s on the machine,I think he’s better than that and have taken it.Come cheltenham Daryl needs to ride him like he knows he’ll stay and make all,its win or bust for him as he did not enjoy todays tactics.

    Who’s tactics on BDM today? I reckon it was NTD’s idea as he thought NR could be done for speed. BDM must lead to get into a fluent rhythm but leading at a pace he’s comfortable at will be difficult in the GC and fluent rounds with this horse are in the minority – I can’t see him producing one in the GC. Think NR will run well in it, I’d favour him over Thistlecrack whose 2 runs at Cheltenham have lacked fluency. Can see the GC winning RPR being about 178 so that brings in a couple of Irish horses. I hope Cue Card runs because I still believe he can do low 180s with a bit of ease in the ground but does the stable know he’s not as good as that anymore and don’t think he can beat the other 2?

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    Haven’t seen the race yet but I’m guessing BDM did not get into the rhythm he did last time. How was his jumping?

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    Haven’t seen the race yet but I’m guessing BDM did not get into the rhythm he did last time. How was his jumping?

    Bristol des Mai jumped like a horse under restraint Joe,he was slow at several and the first 2 he was not pretty,he jumped like a horse who’d put his back out at those and throughout the whole race he looked uncomfortable.Taking nothing away from the winner who controlled it but that was not ‘Bristols’ true running,still dissapointing but excuses can be made.

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    A great performance from ‘Native River’ today and he is certainly a Gold cup player,I wouldn’t be confident about him on faster surface though.Bristol des mai ran flat there and he’s gone out to 36’s on the machine,I think he’s better than that and have taken it.Come cheltenham Daryl needs to ride him like he knows he’ll stay and make all,its win or bust for him as he did not enjoy todays tactics.

    Who’s tactics on BDM today? I reckon it was NTD’s idea as he thought NR could be done for speed. BDM must lead to get into a fluent rhythm but leading at a pace he’s comfortable at will be difficult in the GC and fluent rounds with this horse are in the minority – I can’t see him producing one in the GC.

    The clock tells you that todays running of the Denman Chase was a crawl and that suited the winner.Bristol des Mai was never happy under restraint and jumped as such.Even a repeat of his Haydock victory wont be good enough to beat Cue Card but a place is still possible and I’ll be happy with him finishing placed behind the 11yo.

    #1287029
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    Haven’t seen the race yet but I’m guessing BDM did not get into the rhythm he did last time. How was his jumping?

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    BDM doesn’t stay as well as Native River. He and Jacob love Haydock and they should be heading to the Ryanair. He won’t win a Gold Cup.

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    Have you changed your mind since yesterday Gord? You seemed to say Native River’s best chance – because “3m is a minimum trip” was to go a strong pace, “grind it out” and outstay Bristol De Mai. You expected BDM to “have enough toe”. How did a “crawl suit the winner”? Normally a crawl suits the horse with more “toe”. But there’s a more important factor you touch upon.

    I don’t think it had anything to do with the pace, only who was in front. ie Both BDM and NR enjoy front running and NR was allowed the lead. What horses enjoy matters, BDM’s best form is all from the front. I agree, BDM has more toe, but Jacob was stuck. Going alongside NR would’ve encouraged Coleman to go faster – a stronger pace/greater test of stamina would’ve suited NR. However, unfortunately same will be the case if the pair meet in March… and there’ll be more front runners than those two. Not that there’s any fewer front runners in the Ryanair.

    tbh In a way a slower pace suited both horses today. No connections want a hard race before Cheltenham.

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    #1287033
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    Yeah, that post-race analysis from TAPK contradicts what he said yesterday.

    Native River is the better horse, the stronger stayer.

    #1287084
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    Some performance from Native River yesterday; on him (8s) and Minella Rocco (33s) so here’s hoping the latter runs just as good!

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    Just watching the Exeter replays from today on RUK….did anyone else see the Colin Tizzard interview when he was asked about the well being of Cue Card and Thistlecrack?

    Seemed to me he wasn’t his usual self when talking about the horse…and my main fear after the last day that he race was really hard and will have taken a lot out of him…I may be reading it all wrong, but looked a bit concerning to me…

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    Who Zam, Cue Card or Thistlecrack or both…?

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    Thistlecrack….he did his usual with Cue Card saying he was flying up the gallops before Saturday!

    Like I say, I may be reading it wrong but he just seemed a lot less enthusiastic than he normally does when speaking about Thistlecrack, and mentioned it was a hard race…

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    Have you changed your mind since yesterday Gord? You seemed to say Native River’s best chance – because “3m is a minimum trip” was to go a strong pace, “grind it out” and outstay Bristol De Mai. You expected BDM to “have enough toe”. How did a “crawl suit the winner”? Normally a crawl suits the horse with more “toe”. But there’s a more important factor you touch upon.

    I don’t think it had anything to do with the pace, only who was in front. ie Both BDM and NR enjoy front running and NR was allowed the lead. What horses enjoy matters, BDM’s best form is all from the front. I agree, BDM has more toe, but Jacob was stuck. Going alongside NR would’ve encouraged Coleman to go faster – a stronger pace/greater test of stamina would’ve suited NR. However, unfortunately same will be the case if the pair meet in March… and there’ll be more front runners than those two. Not that there’s any fewer front runners in the Ryanair.

    tbh In a way a slower pace suited both horses today. No connections want a hard race before Cheltenham.

    Poor run, or just as good as he is? I will plump for the latter. His last run was massively overrated (by a similar amount to Thistlecrack’s King George) and outside of Haydock he was never likely to come close to matching it. I like Native River but he probably didn’t need to run to anything much more than a low 160’s to see off the second. With a little more improvement he is just about the most likely Gold Cup winner but Bristol De Mai doesn’t come close to winning anything at the Festival.

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    Thistlecrack….he did his usual with Cue Card saying he was flying up the gallops before Saturday!

    Like I say, I may be reading it wrong but he just seemed a lot less enthusiastic than he normally does when speaking about Thistlecrack, and mentioned it was a hard race…

    I’ve seen horse’s run their season into the ground at Cheltenham in January. Weather conditions and not just the bad ground are terrible and they don’t recover from it.

    Hopefully it’s nothing close to that.

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