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Okay – flawed options I agree . You may think that more than one option applies. Just vote for the one that best applies. <br>Are our political representatives just using this as an excuse to levy more taxes from us (perhapsto make good the ginormous budget shortfall in state sector pension provisions?).<br>Or is this the real issue that mankind needs to get a grip with and fast?
Any on here have any strong views on global warming?<br>A part of me suspects that the scare stories we are constantly fed is just alarmist hyperbole pushed by interested parties to ensure their funding continues.<br>Is that too cynical?<br>Wasn’t there some Scandinavian bod who recently had a best-seller published poo-pooing the alarmists?<br>Is time running out to try a polar-bear burger?
I find it a fascinating topic and there have been some pictorially alarmist documentaries about the melting of the flat caps quite recently.
There is far less sunlight reaching the planet due to aicraft and factory emissions plus that thing you spray about the house to get rid of dog leg.
 Since the 1950’s to the mid 90’s the planet has measured a reduction in sunlight and accompanying heat of 3% a decade. The effect is known as global dimming and since the clean air acts and the reduction of dirty plant around the world it has lessened, which has added to the warming effect, however it is on the march again – but a lot of the world casually ignores it. The smog we produce is keeping us darker and cooler but it is a false god and shouldn’t be relied upon to.
  On the days after 911 when aircraft were grounded one weather scientist recorded a one degree raise in temperature purely due to vapour clearer skies over America. Global warming which which is mainly caused by CO2 emissions is reduced by global dimming which is an unnatural effect, but has only recently been factored in by certain scientific groups and poo pood by the big boys.
 Once the flashpoint occurs, and temperatures start rising exponentially there is no turning back and it is rather akin a nuclear chain reaction. So they say !
  Apart from global warming there is the worrying movements of the twelve tectonic plates around the world. If Lanzarote does sheer off as some speculate sea levels would rise three feet around our southern shores. On the other hand it could be a hundred years away or never happen. Remember they got that hurricane wrong !
  I am suffering a flu bug and feeling exceptionally warm around the collar. By the time the world governemnt gets a grip it could well be too late.
flatcapgamble.. damn the edit :angry:
(Edited by gamble at 6:00 pm on Jan. 30, 2005)
Very true gamble,
I believe that man’s part in global warming is well over stated. It is probably more to do with volcanic emissions than those from cars …
Count me in … :biggrin:
I was thinking on the big volcano that went off in Washington State a few years ago. (St. Helens)
Personally I’d be quite grateful for a spot of global warming. A rise in temperature around these parts wouldn’t go amiss.
I also think that the effects of Global Warming will happen very quickly. Maybe over a period of two or three years, because changes will have a knock on effect and be exponential.
Something very big is going down in 2008<br> It’s a recurring thought pattern<br> Problem is I have absolutely no idea what it is<br> just that its big.<br> I haven’t ruled out something in my life
Possibly meet you then Dave on cloud 9 <br>
* Aerosols that mask dog leg produce CO2 and have<br> no effect on global dimming as I stated earlier.
In the Congo, a huge forest in Africa, the highlands break into open savannah. Ecologists had always thought that savannah was the result of humn activity until this place was discovered, about ten years ago. This particular grassland is remote and there are no people live there, or near it. On further investigation they discovered that the difference in rainfall was a two month shorter rainy season in the grassland than there was in the jungle. This is also true in parts of the amazon and northern australia.
If rain the pattern changes in these areas, on the equator, then these forests would dry out and burn. A probable explanation for global warming in the past?
2008 gamble … I’ve nothing planned
Quote: from dave jay on 10:13 pm on Feb. 2, 2005[br]
Ecologists had always thought that savannah was the result of humn activity until this place was discovered, about ten years ago.
<br>  The wild congo bee unlike its much smaller european brother has a buzz to frighten an elephant and wears small leather boots to clear a path.
All the time I was worrying about the world ending and about how I might escaoe the inevitable …
The missis was sleeping …
I was unsure until I saw Margret Beckett being interviewed on the telly about the imminent peril from global warming, when asked if she or the government would pass any laws that would restrict economic growth, she said NO .. if it were a real threat they would have to slow or stop economic growth, as this is directly linked to the production of green house gasses.
I am coming more around to the way of thinking that this is just another ruse to collect taxes, that they otherwise wouldnt be able to get away with.
I blame all those cows with their wind problems:biggrin:<br>http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece<br> I don’t know who to believe – some scientists say it’s a man made problem whilst others state it’s just nature going through a different phase. I read contrasting views every week in the papers.<br>I do think that the politicians are using it as an excuse to raise more taxes. The reality is that unless other countries ( especially China and India ) also change their ways then anything the UK do is going to make little difference if the problem is man made. I have friends in Shanghai and the pollution there is horrendous some days.  <br>
(Edited by SwallowCottage at 3:05 pm on Mar. 20, 2007)
The first two options in equal measure and the last option. I voted for the first.
It’s my view that mankind’s handiwork is accelerating what is a natural period of warming since the arbitrary ‘end of the last ice age’ c 10K years ago. Over the ‘recent’ past i.e 2M years or so there have been periods between a succession of ‘ice ages’ warmer than now and times when the ice caps have ceased to exist completely, so today is a relatively ‘cold’ period still – in all likelihood – undergoing a ‘natural’ warming. However the rhythmicity has been anything but regular, hence it’s all but impossible to predict future trends.
Just how this warming will affect the planet’s five billion folk remains to be seen. A burgeoning population necessitates an ever more fragile homeostasis.
I rather think the horse has bolted so whether ‘green’ gesturing on a national or global level will have any effect seems doubtful. That said I think there’s much to be said for calling a halt to the West’s lengthy carnival of conspicuous consumption regardless of whether it may or may not affect climate. Respect Nature, respect her diversity and don’t squander her bounty; she will always have the last laugh.<br>
(Edited by Drone at 11:30 pm on Mar. 19, 2007)
.. if it were a real threat they would have to slow or stop economic growth, as this is directly linked to the production of green house gasses.
I don’t agree with this logic.
There are a lot of impending problems (e.g. pensions) that the government have done ****
all about.Why?
Because they measures they’d have to take would impact negatively on people’s quality of life and that would be a major vote loser.
We should remember that the job of politicians is not to run the country well, it’s to get themselves re-elected.
Anything like this that can be put off – particularly if it can be lumbered on the opposition – will be.
IMO, if it’s a man-made problem – and I’m sayig "if" as I don’t understand the science – we’re ****
ed. Pure and simple.Steve
PS I heard recently that the meat industry produces more greenhouse gasses than all of transport put together.
If this is true (and if these gasses are the problem), why aren’t the government trying to get people to cut down on meat isntead of banging on and on about flights?
Oh yeah, "vote loser", what was I thinking??
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