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I tried doing bets in Ladbrokes for Saturday York racing but they said it’s only available online, anyone know has this been a recent implementation ? Strange as all the other bookies let you bet in-store for Saturday races , they are very tight
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64 points @ 5/1 (betfair) King Of Comedy (min 9/2)
74 points @ 11/10 (L) Crystal Ocean (min Evens)
15 points @ 49/1 (betfair) Regal Reality (min 40/1)Value Is EverythingFair enough GT – just gets my blood boiling when you hear bookies moaning especially after watching the excellent BBC programme Can You Beat The Bookies?
There’s a kernel of truth in there! I don’t think any serious tipsters should include bad e/w selections in their totals/daily bets. It accelerates your route to restriction and can give a misleading impression of the tipster – we’d all make steady uninterrupted profits if we were playing bad e/w.
Would I like £5k e/w on Dee Ex Bee? Yes please. Should I bet that for the overall life of my accounts if I back myself to find ‘straight’ value elsewhere? No way. Win-only or place-only is the honest way to go.
Sadly what Mtoto describes is standard practice for weak ante-post markets now. Online-only apart from the really top-tier stuff before final decs. Many markets (even decent TV races) are too weak and you just get picked off by insiders who know what will run and what won’t. It’s a sad reflection on the lack of integrity at many high-profile stables.
Can someone educate me on this EW thieves bet thing? If I place too many 5/1 EW a fifth bets the odds chances of winning in the long term mean accounts would get restricted for that?
In a ‘bad e/w’ situation Frenchy, you’re getting value on the place part of the bet. Usually occurs in a race with an odds-on favourite.
e.g. Dee Ex Bee there: 4/1 is roughly the correct win price, but at 1/5 the odds you’re getting value versus the true place-only price on that half of the bet.
You don’t need me Istabraq, that’s another you’ve predicted…
you’re too kind
I suppose І’ll саll thе shор bеfоrеhаnd tо sее іf thе rасе іs аvаіlаblе іnstоrе аnуmоrе sо
Gotcha LS, too much of that is a pattern that will likely get accounts restricted then right?
Sorry for hijacking your thread GT!
My 100% book, Frenchy:
Crystal Evens
King 7/2
Japan 17/2
Circus 12/1
Elarqam 20/1
Regal 28/1
Lord 132/1
Cheval 132/1
Thundering 400/1Value Is EverythingThere’s a kernel of truth in there! I don’t think any serious tipsters should include bad e/w selections in their totals/daily bets. It accelerates your route to restriction and can give a misleading impression of the tipster – we’d all make steady uninterrupted profits if we were playing bad e/w.
LS, to be fair, people that have any success get restrictions, so the odd dirty e/w might speed it up, but it’s going to happen anyway. Not sure it’s woorth worrying about so much.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!There’s a kernel of truth in there! I don’t think any serious tipsters should include bad e/w selections in their totals/daily bets. It accelerates your route to restriction and can give a misleading impression of the tipster – we’d all make steady uninterrupted profits if we were playing bad e/w.
LS, to be fair, people that have any success get restrictions, so the odd dirty e/w might speed it up, but it’s going to happen anyway. Is it really worth worrying about so much?
Twitter: Jackh1092
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!LOL
By “bad e/w selections” you mean bad for you and good for us punters.
Yes, each way thieves bets do make restriction or closure more likely if doing loads of them, LS. But if the number of each way bets I make/tip (a very small minority of my bets) is a problem to Ladbrokes enough to restrict or close accounts… then imo Ladbrokes are the ones at fault.Am aware that betting each way in races with a short priced fav is advantageous to punters, but it is not the actual reason for my each way bets.
If looking at the way I bet it’s all about main bets on what I consider the best value and savers on lesser value. With – adding all prices up (combined chance) – usually a big (often better than 50%) of getting the winner. So what do you expect me to do when there’s an odds-on fav that I don’t consider value? It’s bloody obvious my “saver” will be the place part of my (usually) one each way selection.
Generally, you surely know punters are put off betting on any race with an odds-on fav… Because they know the odds-on chance has a massive chance of winning. ie Not wanting to take such a short price and yet don’t want to oppose it either in a win only bet. So it is only natural for punters – that do want to oppose the odds-on fav – to back each way when backing against an odds-on fav… Just as – another one of your gripes – vast majority of punters don’t “arb”. What they’re actually doing is simply taking the best price available. ie Betting with bookies when bookies offer the best price and exchanges when exchanges offer the best price.
To take against punters when all they’re doing is natural… is wrong.
If any bookmaker doesn’t want to offer the same prices each way as win only they don’t need to. Some bookmakers sometimes offer shorter each way odds and – if you’re so down on us taking each way prices against odds-on horses – you/Ladbrokes Coral should consider doing the same.Value Is EverythingHaven’t done a proper book on the Voltigeur, Istabraq; but I wanted to be against Constantinople here. Even though probably has the best form in the race! Am a great fan of Logician who imo has tremendous potential – far more than any of his rivals here. Taken 5/4.
Although I backed Constantinople in his Irish race earlier in the year, tbh has disappointed me at both Royal Ascot and Goodwood. Others seemingly wanting to win more than he did. Weight turn around gives him the edge over Nayef Road on Gordon Stakes form, but not on temperament. Unless he can win without coming under serious pressure is imo far from certain to reverse placings with the Johnston horse… And then there’s Goodwood also ran Jalmoud who didn’t give his running that day. Wouldn’t be out of it if coming back to his French form. Constantinople looks of all these the biggest stayer and will need a thorough test at 1m4f; albeit Norway is probably in there to take them along at a good pace. Latter’s Irish Derby form (if able to believe it) seems pretty good too. There’s also a slight question mark over the AOB yard’s form; with a reduced strike rate this month.
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