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Dessie Hughes death was tragic, but that’s no reason to keep horses with a trainer who’s (after 18 months) proven not up to the job.
Just depends on your outlook on life, GT. She’ll use the same training skills on JP’s horses and, to the best of my knowledge, he didn’t take any away.
Good post Titus. I suppose that makes a lot of sense. O’Leary believing less than a week beforehand that he has a massive chance of eventually winning his own race only for Mullins to put one of the best horses in training in the race. That must have come as a blow.
It will make things easier for Mullins to place and I don’t think it will make any difference to how many graded races he wins. No time for O’Leary as he has not loyalty and his treatment of Davy Russell was disgraceful. In fact a thoroughly dislakable man as is his company.
Gigginstown was in danger of losing a young jockey thought to be Champion class. Had they kept Cooper as second jockey he’d have either gone to Britain or – Walsh retired – and gone to Mullins. In the opinion of O’Leary (and me, and many others) Cooper is a better jockey than Russell. Do you expect the better jockey to remain second-string, Mickey?
I don’t agree cooper is better than Russell at all and Davy at Cheltenham has an amazing record hence him getting chances elsewhere. O’Leary may know how to run a business but he is building a long line of enemies in the game which will come back to bite him. Glad Mullins stood up to him and I’m sur e there will be other owners who will fill the void. We will see how the horses get on with other yards. Hopefully faugheen is back and will trounce ant gigginstown horse.
There is no way on earth this is simply about fees. The rates are neither there nor there to either party and its pretty obvious that if there was a good working relationship this would easily be thrashed out. If Ryan was simply bothered about the costs he wouldn’t be in the game at all. Loathe him or hate him, he’s not unaware of the big picture
Why can’t the obvious answer be stated?
The hero businessman and the hero trainer dont actually like each other very much..
Might be putting it mildly
I don’t agree cooper is better than Russell at all and Davy at Cheltenham has an amazing record hence him getting chances elsewhere. O’Leary may know how to run a business but he is building a long line of enemies in the game which will come back to bite him. Glad Mullins stood up to him and I’m sur e there will be other owners who will fill the void. We will see how the horses get on with other yards. Hopefully faugheen is back and will trounce ant gigginstown horse.
Just depends on your outlook on life, GT. She’ll use the same training skills on JP’s horses and, to the best of my knowledge, he didn’t take any away.
That’s just it Joe/Mickey, it’s a matter of opinion. If JP is happy with Sandra Hughes then he’ll keep horses in training with her. If O’Leary thought Sandra Hughes not good enough and thought Russell not as good as Cooper (or thought Cooper had more potential and didn’t want to risk losing the younger man) – then there’s every reason to change.
Value Is EverythingDessie Hughes death was tragic, but that’s no reason to keep horses with a trainer who’s (after 18 months) proven not up to the job.
Does anyone have any stats on Hughes v Morris with Gigginstown horses prior to the latter pulling a couple of rabbits out of the hat?
On recent form – Morris may have been in danger of losing his Gigginstown horses if it wasn’t for the two National victories. However, dare say O’Leary has a soft spot for the trainer after War Of Attrition won him a Gold Cup. I’d imagine that’s a massive plus that lives long in the memory. As is the Grand National. With Morris you could see O’Leary being content with a few poor years if Morris wins a Big one now and again. From my “Trainers In Form” readings it seems Mouse goes through long spells of poor form. In rare good form over the period of the two Nationals. Unfortunately, that was one trainer in form that got away.
Value Is EverythingI’m not sure it’s about anything other than fees, although I’m sure there would have been ‘debates’ on other matters over the years.
A guy, remember, in O’Leary, who makes his employees bring their own pens into work.
Not sure what he’d be like as owner. Meddling, whingy, late-payer? I don’t know but I’m sure if Willie now has empty boxes he won’t be short of owners looking to fill them.Mullins was very guarded when interviewed by Matt Chapman on atr and gave the impression that he would have liked to have given the full story but thought it more prudent not to. Irrelevant of the reasons O’Leary just looks like a guy throwing his toys out of the pram as he can’t get what he wants. Does he really think he will get better results at other trainers. Your well rid of him Willie.
I’ve read a lot of comments both here and on other sites and social media. Three main points people seem to be making are as follows: 1. It will make things more competitive… Nonsense in my opinion the owner will still dictate where the horses run. What horses will run against each other as a result of this that didn’t run against each other last year?
2. Must be more to this than just fees, again nonsense I believe.. O Leary probably wanted special treatment and Mullins didn’t want to give it to him.3. O Leary not happy playing second fiddle to other owners: where did Mullins ever change an o Leary horses target to suit other owners horses?
Gordon Elliott as a trainer has the highest number of crap horses in Ireland. There is no other trainer who has such a large number of under 100 rated horses. He also has some very good ones. In other words Elliott doesn’t care what he trains as long as he has full stables. Mullins on the other hand will train only good horses. I think he has only one horse rated less than 100 and that’s a 13 year old who recently returned from a 1000 day lay off. Therefore Mullins as a premium trainer has every right to charge a premium price. Elliot just throws as much mud at the wall as possible and hopes some will stick.
I’ve read a lot of comments both here and on other sites and social media. Three main points people seem to be making are as follows:
1. It will make things more competitive… Nonsense in my opinion the owner will still dictate where the horses run. What horses will run against each other as a result of this that didn’t run against each other last year?
Apple’s Jade V Faugheen
Apple’s Jade V Annie Power
Don Poli V VautourTo name but three.
I realise Apple’s Jade was only a novice last year and therefore would not have taken on those two last year. However, the point is what would’ve happened THIS coming season
Value Is Everything2. Must be more to this than just fees, again nonsense I believe.. O Leary probably wanted special treatment and Mullins didn’t want to give it to him.
Look at what happened to Vautour Cheltenham week. It’s Ricci’s horse yet Ricci was over-ruled by the trainer. A trainer who tried to make out the horse wasn’t at its best – just to get his own way. What happened in the Ryanair – winning so easily and by so far – proved Vautour WAS at his best. If O’Leary wanted “special treatment” in not wanting THAT to happen to his horse – can’t say I blame him.
Mullins is the best NH trainer in Ireland, probably in the World. But he seems to regard the horses he trains as his own and does not respect the owner. If I were an owner in Mullins yard and I was told my horses have to run where Mullins wants – I’d take my horses away too. O’Leary might only be the first.
Value Is Everything3. O Leary not happy playing second fiddle to other owners: where did Mullins ever change an o Leary horses target to suit other owners horses?
It’s not about “playing second fiddle to other owners” it’s about running horses where the owner wants them. It couldn’t have helped if O’Leary was told Valseur Lido was going to be the Mullins Ryanair horse, only for Vautour to be re-routed more-or-less overnight at the sole bequest of Mullins.
Value Is EverythingI’ve read a lot of comments both here and on other sites and social media. Three main points people seem to be making are as follows:
1. It will make things more competitive… Nonsense in my opinion the owner will still dictate where the horses run. What horses will run against each other as a result of this that didn’t run against each other last year?
Apple’s Jade V Faugheen
Apple’s Jade V Annie Power
Don Poli V VautourTo name but three.
I realise Apple’s Jade was only a novice last year and therefore would not have taken on those two last year. However, the point is what would’ve happened THIS coming season
We had a thread about Apple’s Jade earlier this year. If I was an owner I wouldn’t have been at all happy with Mullins almost immediately making reference to targets other than the Champion Hurdle.
I want to see Sheikh Obaid putting horses with Mullins. Now that would be fun.
“Sheikh, we can’t put Postponed in the arc, we already have Wicklow Brave for that race”
I’d be getting the popcorn out
I want to see Sheikh Obaid putting horses with Mullins. Now that would be fun.
“Sheikh, we can’t put Postponed in the arc, we already have Wicklow Brave for that race”
I’d be getting the popcorn out
:)
I still ask the question which no one has given the answer to… When has an o Leary horse trained by Mullins been put in a certain race to give a different Mullins horse a better chance of winning? Any examples? The only example given so far is vautour v don poli and I don’t think that was by design I think that was more a result of vautour trying to avoid djakadam so ruby wouldn’t have to choose between them. Any actual examples?
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