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Nice to see Richard Pitman showing support for the judgement and condemning the childish antics of many of his industry associates. He seems to be quite the rarity though.
“We’re all adults, or the majority of us are adults. We’ve all had tussles and bustles about people – how many married people go home and swear at each other and have rows every night of the week.
Swearing is part of life and it’s a tough sport we’re in. We risk our lives when we go out there.
Foul language is used everywhere. I’m not saying it’s right to use it in certain ways, but we’re grown people – men and women in there. We’re tough people to be out there in that game.
It’s a tough sport, but it’s for everyone – whoever wants to come into the game, we’re open to everyone coming into the game.”
Alain Cawley, interviewed on SSR today.
Got to love that last paragraph. It is for everyone – as long as they are prepared to put up with an aggressive macho culture and foul language on a daily basis.
You know when I said jockeys are a bit thick…
Spot on CAS.
However, I do wonder whether M Chapman will be spot on too.Value Is EverythingSo much crap from Bass
Unbelievable. Mellish is so right about Racing having to get to the 21st century.
“how many married people go home and swear at each other and have rows every night of the week.”
Anybody else feeling sorry for Alain Cawley’s wife and kids?
What kinda puzzles me is that all of these jockeys are a lot younger than me, yet they all seem to have found their value systems on an archaeological dig.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"There’s a lot of stuff circulating as well – a statement apparently on behalf of several of the female NH jockeys which is anonymous but makes interesting reading. The thing I don’t like which I have seen a lot of on social media is attacking people who gave evidence or people who have been percieved to have allowed the bullying to happen. Everybody has the right to a fair trial or investigation or whatever and if people are giving evidence and telling it from their own point of view and being honest, how can they be attacked for just being honest? That is completely wrong as is the BHAs handling of the case. Dunne has correctly been punished and I suspect his career beyond his ban will never be the same again as this sort of offence will stick with his name forever probably but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a strong compensation case against the BHA for the data breach.
Well, sorry is all I can say.
Sorry for standing up for the PJA.
Just hope David Bass is not typical of their standpoint going forwards. tbh It did seem beyond him so there’s still hope someone can save the day. I made some comments earlier about it not being easy for jockeys to speak out, but that interview was bloody embarrassing. Didn’t seem to grasp what the issues were in this case at all. More concerned with the BHA’s “rancid” comment and sprucing up the weighing room than Bryony’s treatment by Dunne and Co. Is Paul Struthers still around? Surely he’d have done a better job? I find myself now in total agreement with Steve Mellish.Value Is EverythingGinger, thanks for replying to my query about what you meant by “going public”. I agree with you that many in racing blame her for making the complaint formal, and it then becoming publicised whether or not she was involved in the latter.
Your take on things from the PJA’s viewpoint was:
Is going ahead in the interests of Frost? Very probably. OK
Is going ahead in the interests of Dunne? Very definitely not, he is unlikely to get a fair hearing now it’s gone public. Therefore PJA were right to ask for the “trial” to be stopped.But we can turn this around:
Is not going ahead in the interests of Frost? Very definitely not; her serious concerns will not be addressed and Dunne will not face any consequences.
Is not going ahead in the interests of Dunne? YesVery tellingly, the PJA favoured the approach that suited Dunne and would help maintain the status quo. I appreciate they are in a tricky position, but it still seems they are taking Dunne’s side even after the judgement. There seemed to be minimal introspection in their various statements made this evening, and just plenty of blaming the easy target of the BHA.
Looks like we posted around the same time Ginger. My post was in reply to your earlier posts rather than your latest one
Can see your way of thinking but thing is Marlingford, PJA could’ve been in favour of the case going ahead as far as Frost is concerned and yet against with Dunne… Point is (or was) when looking at each person individually it WAS in the interests of Frost to continue and NOT in the interests of Dunne. In this case I thought they really had to act in WHOEVER the case going ahead was NOT in favour of…
However, listening to David Bass, I do now wonder whether there was an element of siding with the “weighing room” status quo.
Value Is EverythingIt took a lot of courage for Bryony to challenge the status quo. I am pleased with the way the disciplinary panel handled this.
I previously worked in horseracing and was repeatedly verbally abused / sworn at by a colleague. I was grateful the trainer did something about it. But colleagues were quick to say “just ignore him” or “he’s just like that”.
I should point out not all yards are like this. But Brian Barker QC hit the bail on the head when he said this language/ behaviour is not appropriate in any walk of life / workplace.
Purely speculative- what next from the PJA or the jockeys ?
A “strike” as show of strength or would it end up as only further entrenching the differences ? Cheltenham, the spiritual capital of UK jump racing is on tomorrow……….
Even now the PJA can’t actually admit that there is even a problem with the weighing room culture and instead are going out of there way to go after all and sundry just to avoid dealing with the issue.
I wonder if those same unnamed female jockeys would still be as supportive of their weighing room colleagues if they (god forbid) ever end up facing the continued abusive behaviour/language dished out to Bryony and then got the exact same ‘its just everyday banter, nothing to worry or be offended about’ response from the rest of the jockeys. I guess if you are not on the receiving end then it very well maybe a nice environment or safe space away from the outside world.
Can’t help feeling that other female jockeys aren’t subjected to that type of behaviour simply because they rarely (if ever) are in a position to challenge the male jockeys in the top races and as such the guys don’t view them as direct competition…or maybe a touch of jealousy that they don’t get the same media coverage or are so eloquently able to speak/connect with punters in post race interviews.
Even with this result the problem going forward will be how can you get the culture changed if 99% of the people within that culture can’t/won’t admit that there is even a problem to begin with that needs changing.
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