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- April 29, 2024 at 10:31 #1692230
Henry Longfellow 5/2 with coral
what beats him?I think this horse looked really top class as a two year old and the pedigree to progress
If City of Troy wasn’t around he’d be favourite for Newmarket without a shadow of a doubtCharles Darwin to conquer the World
April 29, 2024 at 10:52 #1692233Henry Longfellow 5-2
May 9, 2024 at 20:19 #1693650Henry 7/4
Who’ll be the jockey on Diego? French Sprint finish might just suit him. Hope he won’t be Henry’s pacemaker😕
May 9, 2024 at 20:30 #1693652Can’t believe diego is going here. Surely Henry for this and Diego for the dante.
May 9, 2024 at 22:07 #1693655Don’t think a sprint finish would suit hms velazquez unless it was in a 3 mile race
Henry was by miles the best of these as a 2yo and has the breeding to train on
Like st marks basilica I expect him to win easily barring misfortune in running or if the ground was particularly quick
May 9, 2024 at 22:38 #1693657So this is Diego’s prep race for the Dante then! The ground is never quick in France!
Maybe he’s only a sub for Henry in the event of some unforeseen circumstance
May 9, 2024 at 23:08 #1693659I would think this is perhaps more likely a prep for the Prix du Jockey Club for Diego than anything, with Henry L to stay over a mile if he wins maybe. I’m not that surprised Diego isn’t going to the Dante, Ballydoyle don’t seem to target it- too close to the Epsom Derby to travel a horse perhaps.
Henry Longfellow is a worthy favourite but I’m going to go with Beauvatier who has had the benefit of a run not losing by much to a race fit horse:
” “That was a good stepping stone to the Poule,” said Barberot. “I’ve brought him along gently and hadn’t worked him too hard, so I’m happy.” ”Beauvatier 8-1
May 9, 2024 at 23:09 #1693660The ground is regularly quick in france they just lie on the going report
It was rattling fast on Arc day last year yet it says gd to soft on the racing post website
The UK going stick guys went over and measured it good to firm, the French had it gd to soft
May 9, 2024 at 23:12 #1693661“The UK going stick guys went over and measured it good to firm, ”
Interesting- did they sneak in and do it on the morning of racing and if so…where can we get their readings in future?
Cos the official going reports are, as you say, a work of fiction. I think think I once saw racing on “heavy” when they were kicking up clouds of dust not muck.May 10, 2024 at 00:54 #1693667May 10, 2024 at 19:06 #1693754Soumillon will be earning his riding fee
hope he’s been working out
could be off the bridle going to postCharles Darwin to conquer the World
May 10, 2024 at 20:05 #1693758Has he been booked much by O’Brien over the years, even as pacemaker?
May 10, 2024 at 20:19 #169375943 rides
6 wins
21 placedCharles Darwin to conquer the World
May 11, 2024 at 00:21 #1693791Henry may have the best form and AOB is generally in better form now. But those who’ve run well this week have already had a run this season… They’ve come on for the run.
Value Is EverythingMay 11, 2024 at 07:29 #1693810Good Morning
Hope you are all well.
french Guineas always a tough race to analyse and I cant concur more that the ground publications tend to be a bit far fetched and I would think the ground will be quicker than they are currently advertising.
The barrier tends to be a good pointer, coming too wide or to late over 1600m around Longchamp your going to hope that your entry is able to reach trios further than a mile in time. Irish trainer Aiden O’Brien has crashed the party on a few occasions and we all know how good Ryan Moore tends to be on the continent. Henry Longfellow is looking to keep in unbeaten record intact and its again the trust that his juvenile form is still solid on the transition. Considering his very versatile on most any ground he would have to be the one on paper to progress this year even further and with paper entries in both Irish and UK Derby’s and possibly the Coral Eclipse they are expecting he is going to get further than the mile, should do being by Dubawi.
Christian Demuro and Jean Claude Rouget teamed up a few years ago to win back to back running’s of this and once more team up with Keran. His an unknown quality over this trip stepping up to 1600m for the first time and looking over his entries this season it is strongly showing his staying around the mile. Beauvatier and Ramadan net in the Prix de fontainebleau with the latter coming out on top with Metropolitan back in fifth.
Supercooled overturned Roshvar when they met in the Machedo Stakes, this came in very soft conditions, John Goden’s Eben Shaddad Wwould have something to find on his Craven Stakes run, the winner Haatem ran a creditable third in the 2000gns at Newmarket. Interesting that Diego Velazquez takes his chances here, questions is this a prep ruin towards the Dante or bypass that to the Irish 2000gns onto the Coral Eclipse, he does bring good form to the table after beating Capulet as a juvenile, form franked this week with the runner up winning the Dee Stakes. Could possible put a line through his run in the Futurity Stakes on heavy ground, but that form took a dent with Gods Window running below par in the Dee Stakes.
With 6/4 on offer for Henry Longfellow which on paper looks his race to lose, DIEGO VALEZQUEZ is value at 14/1 and could be the each way angle now coming back on quicker ground, negative is his draw from stall 11.
May 11, 2024 at 11:20 #1693850Couldn’t touch the fav without a prep run so will just watch. He’s a good thing though if fit enough.
May 11, 2024 at 11:39 #1693853The non prep would be a concern considering Aidan’s form of first time outers
I think he probably trains Group 1 horses differently to handicaps, maidens etc to get them ready first time out.
The difference between Henry Longfellow and City of Troy is that City of Troy was priced up on his two year old form and the market didn’t budge an inch throughout the winter. Yes, he was short anyway, but the money of the owners a betting yard you’d be forgiven in thinking if he was the superstar and working well, ready to rumble he’d have gone off nearer 1/2 or shorter not an SP of 4/6 which was bigger than what you could have had 4 months ago.
Henry Longfellow on the other hand has gone from 5/2 to 6/4 in about 10 daysCharles Darwin to conquer the World
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