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After a nice break, I’d like to see him go straight to the Derby, where hopefully he’ll get to race on easier ground than he encountered today.
Just looked at the replay of todays demolition job, and although he was tiring (he had every right to, regardless of whether he’ll get ten furlongs) nothing else in the field looks to be gaining, and there were some supposed REAL Derby contenders in there today. Dubawi Gold looked to be flattening out late on and I reckon Frankel would have went on at the same pace for another furlong FWIW….
For this reason, I’ve no doubt Frankel will stay so long as he gets a good lead and settles; plenty of time between now and Epsom to get some discipline work into him and for him to wise up a little.
For me, if he settles in the Derby, they wont see which way he goes.
Kingfisher, there was nothing ‘enterprising’ about the ride on Frankel. He had everything off the bridle after a furlong. It was just brutal.
What a breath-taking performance from Frankel! After 3 furlongs, I started laughing out of utter disbelief because of the way he started turning the screw and leaving the opposition in his slipstream. When the race was over, my mouth was as dry as a bone.
I think Frankel might be Secretariat reincarnated! Surely this horse has that same big heart?
I’ve looked at the race several times now and, the more I see it, I feel that Frankel did tire a touch in the closing stages. Having said that, could other greats such as Brigadier Gerard, Zafonic, Dancing Brave and Sea The Stars, have dominated their fields
from the front
in the way that Frankel did and win? Maybe not.
As other have mentioned, if Frankel would’ve been ridden with a bit more restraint thus conserving energy for the latter half of the race, he’d have surely won by further.
I wouldn’t enter Frankel in the Derby. He should stick to a mile … and perhaps 10 furlongs at the most. I’d like to see him go for the St James Palace Stakes next.
But really, that was a devastating 2000 Guineas!
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Tuffers the clock never lies,Frankel could run that race another 10 times and still not clock 1m 35secs like Zafonic. Todays ground was officially Good/firm but arguably over watered and was riding on the good side which was exactly what the French colt encountered back in 93,both colts powered down the centre of the track but the difference was Frankel won his race at the start and would have had a 10 length lead over Zafonic at halfway but the french colt had a lightening turn of foot and would have swept past Frankel inside the last furlong leaving him one paced.Frankel couldn’t have gone any faster at any point of todays race and certainly wouldn’t have found anything had there been anything good enough to challenge him.
None too shabby for a horse that wouldn’t train on, don’t you think?
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Hawk Wing’s Lockinge was a freak result. Harbinger’s King George was a statisitcal anomaly. Sea The Stars wasn’t flashy enough, despite destroying everything put in his way. Yet, when racing needs a hero, Frankel’s demolition of an appalling Group 1 field is somehow worthy of unyielding adulation?
I’m not buying it. Yet.
If he can do the same to Canford Cliffs, Dream Ahead, Goldikova and Dick Turpin over a mile then I’ll get excited, but until then he’s won a poor race well.
And there’s no way on this Earth he was idling; he was knackered.
Visually very impressive, to see him powering clear from the start was spectacular, and I’m delighted fro H Cecil; it was reminiscent of Harbinger and Hawkwing.
But there are a few serious caveats
– we don’t know what the opposition was like, and won’t until the form lines with the older horses become clear
– to be a great horse, he has to be successful at the classic distance; 10-12 furlongs. A great miler is still only a miler becasue he doesn’t stay furtherLove to see the sectional timing which their was this year at Newmarket
Initially the horses were going to carry speed sensing equipment but the idea was cancelled. I haven’t seen an explanation for the original decision or why it was shelved.
On the horse, awesome is a much overused word but that was truly awesome in the proper sense of the word. Can you think of a single horse in any race ever (with the notable exception of Make a Stand in the Champion Hurdle) who could blast off that fast and finish first by any margin?
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OK, Secretariat but I can’t think of another one.
Presious Passion, in several of his races, most notably the 2009 United Nations over 11 furlongs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kvq-_0rHps Look at those fractions!
He almost did it in the Breeders’ Cup Turf that year too.Um Let me see now …. What did i think of that?
Ah, astonishing, breathtaking, magnificent, incredible
scarcely believable. We all knew he was special but i
dont think any of us quite knew he was THAT Special A FREAK OF NATURE
Love to see the sectional timing which their was this year at Newmarket
Initially the horses were going to carry speed sensing equipment but the idea was cancelled. I haven’t seen an explanation for the original decision or why it was shelved.
On the horse, awesome is a much overused word but that was truly awesome in the proper sense of the word. Can you think of a single horse in any race ever (with the notable exception of Make a Stand in the Champion Hurdle) who could blast off that fast and finish first by any margin?
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OK, Secretariat but I can’t think of another one.
Presious Passion, in several of his races, most notably the 2009 United Nations over 11 furlongs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kvq-_0rHps Look at those fractions!
He almost did it in the Breeders’ Cup Turf that year too.If that first fraction is accurate, which must be a doubt, the rest of it isn’t so impressive, just putting in 24-26 second fractions.
I dare say Ginger that they’ll show that Frankel would have won any six furlong race anywhere in the world.
Ridiculous statement. Any six furlong race against European sprinters maybe…
What makes the statement even more ridiculous is the fact that we have Black Caviar, a possible "best of all time" class sprinter running right now- Total Posts 438
– to be a great horse, he has to be successful at the classic distance; 10-12 furlongs. A great miler is still only a miler becasue he doesn’t stay further
What utter nonsense.
The last time I checked, the Guineas was a Classic and has been for over two hundred years.
Presious Passion, in several of his races, most notably the 2009 United Nations over 11 furlongs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kvq-_0rHps Look at those fractions!
He almost did it in the Breeders’ Cup Turf that year too.If that first fraction is accurate, which must be a doubt, the rest of it isn’t so impressive, just putting in 24-26 second fractions.
It was revised to 22 and 1/5 seconds.
He smashed the old course record, so I’d say it was a a very impressive performance.I have just completed my speed figures for the race, and the highest 3yo rating I had for England. Ireland or France (this year) was
97
, Frankel’s ratings came out at
120
(No WFA) 23lbs higher.
This was the most spectacular race I have ever watched, I was screaming after they had only run 4f
Ratings:
http://tinyurl.com/3h5zupw(Excel.xls)
Presious Passion was a very good horse, if not a superstar on the world stage. His claim to fame would be running half a length 2nd behind Conduit in the BC Turf (Conduit’s 2nd win). He beat Da Re Mi (slightly unlucky) by over a length, with a similar distance back to Spanish Moon.
Another American horse in Sidneys Candy has a similar running pattern on turf, but he was beaten by a few lengths by Goldikova, Gio Ponti and co in last year’s BC Mile.
Yet, when racing needs a hero, Frankel’s demolition of an appalling Group 1 field is somehow worthy of unyielding adulation?
That was not an appalling field at all. OK, it wasn’t a brilliant field but I still think he slaughtered a good bunch.
Of course, we don’t know yet how the runners up (Dubawl Gold and Native Khan) will progress following yesterday’s demolition. But, remember Canford Cliff’s Irish 2000 Guineas win? The runners up (Free Judgement 2nd @ 25/1 and Viscount Nelson 3rd @ 20/1) never won a race since that defeat
If he can do the same to Canford Cliffs, Dream Ahead, Goldikova and Dick Turpin over a mile then I’ll get excited, but until then he’s won a poor race well.
Frankel has already stuffed Dream Ahead and while Canford Cliffs, Goldikova and Dick Turpin are the acid test, I believe that Frankel has the ability to break them.
Armchair Jockey, what makes you say it was an appalling Group 1 field?
It’s impossible to say at this stage how good that field was. Only time will tell if the field was ‘appalling’ or not.
A lot of those horses were making their seasonal debuts, a lot running over a mile for the first time, some will turn out to be sprinters, some will turn out to be stayers etc. The race certainly had a mixed bunch of colts in it, but to say it was an appalling Group 1 field is just bizarre when some of the best two-year-old form was at the table.
And regardless of the quality of the field, does it really matter in relation to Frankel? The first six furlongs of that race were run like a sprint – and Frankel had them beat 15L at the finish (the finish being the two furlong pole). And it’s not as if we are talking about poor sprinters, only six months ago most of this field were running in the very best six furlong two-year-old races. Frankel had them off the bridle after a furlong, he destroyed them.
And then you had the horses that should stay further (and therefore should have been suited by such a strong pace) beaten in excess of 25L at the line. I’m talking about horses that won high-ranking group races as two-year-olds, and prior to yesterday were prominent in the Derby betting (not sure how that market is now).
So either last season’s two year-old form is utter garbage, and those horses really are poor, or Frankel is a star. I prefer to believe the latter quite frankly (pardon the pun).
That was Frankely super
.A polite word to Henry and the Prince please keep him to around a mile as there has to be a doubt about the Derby even Tom Queally has said as much,reading the results page in the post today there are grounds through breeding to suggest the step up in trip would not neccesarily be to much of a problem, the beauty of it is it’s all opinions.
Besides they may have a better candidate in World domination ok a Newbury maiden win to Englands premier classic may seem bonkers but at least it has won over a middle distance and can only improve from his first time out win, i will try and get Henry in the paddock today and have a word in his ear
.Right time to make my way to the Rowley Mile.
Cheers.
Adrian
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Look at those fractions!
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