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Do you think you could get 2 trebles up out of 48 tries?
How many doubles do you think you could pick from 3 horses per week?
Only bet on a Saturday no exceptions.Pick 3 horses only
3 X 20 quid doubles 1 X 40 quid treble
cost 4800 quid per annum allowing for no racing being on.
What you need is one decent treble up
say: 4/1 5/2 7/2 all won almost pays for your entire year add a few doubles and you’re well in pocket.
You need only concentrate on one days racing, a Saturday…..rest of the time you watch and study………..patience and dicipline lads and you won’t fail to make money.
This is how a lot of people bet on horses. Doubles and trebles, Saturdays only. Bookmakers encourage these bets which tells you everything about how favourable they might be to backers.
Unless you are a shrewd judge of form, you will be unlikely to make any money using this approach. Surely you would be better off backing singles on the three Saturday horses – less exciting but much more likely to produce a small profit or limit your losses.
In any case, the vast majority of people will not do any watching or studying while refraining from betting.
The bookies only like bets that lose my friend and hate doubles and trebles if the first and second legs win. This is a bet that suits people who want to have the occasional big win from a relatively low stake who don’t have a lot of money to throw about. The Saturday mug punter doesn’t put the effort into it that I did and you only get out of this game what you put into it.
Beats the backside of punting every day which ends up putting you in the grubber.
I’m not going to start after timing but I did it many years ago when things weren’t so good and it worked very well for me. One treble in week 7 or 8 came up and covered me for the entire year. I would encourage any punter to try it if they are currrently losing on a regualr basis.
Very boring at times as you have 7 days between bets but it’s worth it in the end.
Fair enough FOF. I wasn’t knocking you – obviously you are a confident punter. Just that it’s not really a system that anyone can use without doing a lot of studying, which is really how it should be.
Not really a selection system Fist – more of a staking system.
I’m goign to do some work on this though, watch this space.
Right – done some research and a 1,000 race mock-up several times over.
Based on breaking even on your LSP (i.e. backing 1 winner in 5 selections at odds of 4/1, etc) backing the accumulators (doubles/trebles) gives you no edge. It all depends on the way the clusters fall. Assuming they do so randomly (i.e. that you don’t have a method for identifying several winners to coincide with each other – if only) then the number of trebles you will get in your 200 winners (out of 1,000 races) varies from sample to sample. Sometimes it means you are up and sometimes you are down. In addition to being no better off in the long run, it also puts a much bigger strain on your bank (longer losing runs) than backing individually.
This one is NOT a go-er Fist – sorry.
I am so looking forward to Fisty’s reply.
Is it possible to ‘test’ 3 singles and 1 Treble rather than a Trixe. Selections price 11/4 – 4/1
Viva La Fist –
Am afraid this is a miracle bet Fist, which you are suggesting punters to spend £60 (EDIT make that £100) a week on. "Encouraging any punter to try it if they are currently losing on a regular basis".
As Artemis says, these are exactly the type of bet bookmakers like.
Is this really wise?
Mark
Value Is EverythingWake up Ginge ffs I am suggesting no such thing and anyway it was 3 x 20 plus 1 x 40 =100 quid, but that is only a figure not every punter bets to the same level………..could be 3 x 1000 plus 1 x 2000 or 3 x 1 plus 1 x 2 depending on the person.
Right – done some research and a 1,000 race mock-up several times over.
Based on breaking even on your LSP (i.e. backing 1 winner in 5 selections at odds of 4/1, etc) backing the accumulators (doubles/trebles) gives you no edge. It all depends on the way the clusters fall. Assuming they do so randomly (i.e. that you don’t have a method for identifying several winners to coincide with each other – if only) then the number of trebles you will get in your 200 winners (out of 1,000 races) varies from sample to sample. Sometimes it means you are up and sometimes you are down. In addition to being no better off in the long run, it also puts a much bigger strain on your bank (longer losing runs) than backing individually.
This one is NOT a go-er Fist – sorry.
I never said it was easy Corm but you are missing the point. All you need is one treble out of 48 tries and that is what I base it on……If you can get even a short priced treble up then you aren’t going to be losing much if anything by the end of the year as surely we can all get a couple of winners(a double) from 3 now and again.
One things for sure if you stick to something like that you won’t end up broke. Take your yearly budget for bettng and divide it by say 50. Don’t move from it and if you end up losing half then it’s not a bad price for the entertainment you got trying.
With any system you need dicipline and reality checks. If you get too engrossed in it by doing sums sums sums it draws you in and you end up losing way beyond your means. Then the trouble starts………..
Ths isn’t a complictaed ststem of betting it’s simple and easy to control. If you are lucky and get in front enough yo can then take your cash out. Re-do your sums and bet for the rest of the season with the bookies money (as they say). You can take chances you woldn’t have taken with your own cashand end up getting a real touch………I enjoyed doing it apart from being bored waiting sometimes but that beats the hell out of thinking you can control your betting when punting every day.
I shall stand up and be counted:……….I haven’t take Bob Rolf’s comp very seriously and only stick in the odd tip I get and spend 2 1/2 minutes picking the other 3
I will bet the first 3 selections each week and if I end up in front after 12 months I will never let you hear the end of it Wake up Ginge ffs I am suggesting no such thing and anyway it was 3 x 20 plus 1 x 40 =100 quid, but that is only a figure not every punter bets to the same level………..could be 3 x 1000 plus 1 x 2000 or 3 x 1 plus 1 x 2 depending on the person.
Sorry Fist, you are right it was late and I needed to wake up. I got the maths wrong, £100 then. I was just so amazed at someone suggesting high stakes on a bet like this.
In your first post you said "one decent treble up….almost pays for your entire year". So you were suggesting significant stakes Fist.
If anyone wants to do this kind of bet good luck to you, there is nothing wrong with it. But please if you do; keep the stakes low. Otherwise you could face ruin, it is possible to go 10 years without a win with this type of bet.
Fist, please refrain from the "ffs" as it enflames arguments. If you want to tell me I am wrong then just tell me I am wrong.
Mark
Value Is EverythingYou would argue with your shadow Ginge. If someone bets 5 quid or 500 quid a week it should be what they are prepeared to lose… Yes?
So you got one punter who bets say 250 quid a year (50 weeks racing) and one who bets 25,000 quid a year. Either gets a good treble up he can clear his feet for the entire year.
Size of stake has nothing to do with it. That’s just the fact of the matter.
You would argue with your shadow Ginge. If someone bets 5 quid or 500 quid a week it should be what they are prepeared to lose… Yes?
So you got one punter who bets say 250 quid a year (50 weeks racing) and one who bets 25,000 quid a year. Either gets a good treble up he can clear his feet for the entire year.
Size of stake has nothing to do with it. That’s just the fact of the matter.
I agree with you that a small bet for a millionaire is more than one for a tramp.
But for one win to "almost pays for your entire year", suggests to me it is a big bet comparitively speeking. Whether you are betting as a tramp or millionaire.
This type of bet should be small stakes (comparitively speaking) whatever your situation, not one that almost pays for the entire year in one go.
Me Fist, argue with my own shadow? Surely not, has the same ideas as I do, he’s always right.
Mark
Value Is EverythingPeople are missing the two points that Fists is making about cutting out all the frivolous bets,and doing a lot of watching and studying.
Double and Trebles are only worth doing if you are a winning punter – they will increase you gains.
If you are a losing punter, they will increase your loses.
I think what FoF is trying to say is that if you have 3 x 1 POINT doubles and 1 x 2 POINT treble each week then 1 big win will clear all 260 POINTS that you would stake in a 52-week period.
FFS everybody
[/size:vqgfdv73]If i am betting for entertainment on a Saturday afternoon, just to watch the televised races, i have occasionally had a lucky 15 and some of the high street bookmakers are quite generous with their bonuses, double/treble the odds on a single winner,100% bonus on all four,a good fun bet!
Without doubt the bet the bookmakers hate most is the E/W single,
even more if its an Ante-post 33/1 shot thats now 2/1fav, disagree with that "Corm" if you dare?I think what FoF is trying to say is that if you have 3 x 1 POINT doubles and 1 x 2 POINT treble each week then 1 big win will clear all 260 POINTS that you would stake in a 52-week period.
FFS everybody
[/size:o84egs5a]Yes, but you’re more likely to do that if you are good than if you are lucky.
By knowing in advance that you are going to make 3 selections every Saturday, you will start to look at the 5 day deccies, do a bit of advance preparation, know what kinds of races you are good at, or interest you – rather than waking up with a hangover, missing the first 10 minutes of the Morning Line, getting your copy of the Racing Post or whatever, and then operating in a haphazard fashion.
I will bet the first 3 selections each week and if I end up in front after 12 months I will never let you hear the end of it 
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