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I don’t think anyone has used the term ‘corruption’ Aidan.
However, over here, failing to ride a horse to obtain best possible placing in THAT race (not one in a years time) is an offence under the ruels of racing. I’m assuming the same applies in Ireland.
Not that it is only the Ballydoyle stable though. The practise of running unfit and inexperienced horses and giving them a relatively easy time of it is endemic throughout the sport.
This was just a high profile, eye-catching illustration.
(I’m not saying personally that it is right or wrong. I can appreciate that horses need to be nurtured and there are innumerable cases of horses who, given a hard time at 2, fail to sparkle at 3. My only point is that, under the rules, they should be ridden vigorously to obtain best finishing position possible. Where this does not occur we have a bad advert for the sport, particularly in the current climate).
Madman Marz, would you consider most Sir Michael Stoute 2yo’s to be "subtle non-triers" first time out?
And what about Paul Nicholls openingly admitting that Kauto Star will be left with "plenty to work on" on his come back run? Horses aint machines.
And what about Paul Nicholls openingly admitting that Kauto Star will be left with "plenty to work on" on his come back run? Horses aint machines.
There is nothing wrong with leaving a horse with "plenty to work on", if the jockey riding that day tries his hardest to win the race.
Leaving a horse with "plenty to work on" and a jockey not obtaining the best possible position by being deliberately weak in the saddle are two completely different things – and I am amazed that you have brought this into the debate.
If Kauto Star gets beat a neck on his comeback because his jockey fails to put in maximum effort, then what has that got to do with the trainer of the horse leaving plenty to work on? The jockey should have the book thrown at him, for losing a race he should have won, regardless of how fit the horse was going into the race.
Mike
Heffernan didn’t break any rules. He did ride the horse out as he is required to do under the rules of racing.
No Johnjoe it didn’t leave a large hole in my pocket, as I backed the horse ew, but I should have collected a lot more if Mr Heffernan had been the slightest more vigourous. The bottom line is, it was evident that the horse would have prevailed if Heffernan chose to do so, I got taken for a ride along with probably hundreds of thousands of other punters across Britain & Ireland. but what can we do about it as the stewards patently ignored it because of the connections involved, I come on here to voice my disapproval at what I think was yet another injustice dished out to the punter, and to my horror you have people again defending the indefensible. I was always under the illusion that every horse has to be ridden to get its best possible placing, { of course, I hear you say } now I will challenge anyone to say, that Heffernan rode his horse to get its best possible placing.
Why don’t they just have no betting on 2yr old races at all, as their is plenty of punters out there along with trainers jockeys owners and stewards who think its perfectly ok to give a horse an easy as the poor
divil { Irish accented for devil } is having his first run, and the odd smack of a whip might ruin the poor thing for life, spare me please !.
There should be some independent body not answerable to Turf Club & Jockey Club rules who can step in to give us punters protection, when the powers that be are plainly not doing their job.
By the way every incident like this gets my goat, if you look back on my previous posts I voiced my disgust over the Magna Cum Laude &
Venerable { one of the Gosden pair } where I had no financial interest whats so ever, so its not pocket talking just hate the life and blood of this sport been taking for a ride all the time, that is the punters.Heffernans ride should have been pulled under the non triers rule. plain and simple. Im pretty sure stewards do not and would not have excepted his deliberatly tender riding (he was never going to get pulled). This is not an exceptable excuse. This is textbook NON TRYING and it stinks to high heaven
The only way around this is to make ALL 2yo races a hands and heels with all punters knowing wear they stood. The average punter doesnt give a hoot about nuturing horses, and why should he/she?Comprisons with Kauto star are bizzare. If Nichols says that before the race, then fair play…but if Ruby is in a great position to win without seemingly having to go mad on the horse…then thats a different matter
The race looks awful…simple as that
No wonder punters are looking towards other sports to bet on.
If you were new to this game and had punted that, what would you do?
If you were new to this game and had punted that, what would you do?
Leave maidens alone.
"……….If you were new to this game and had punted that, what would you do?…………."
Learn from the experience?
Colin
no
Switch to golf or football (not tennis
)…..thats whats been happening isnt it?Racing has a rubbish image frankly and unlike before…there are many more options
Frankly i wouldnt have bet on a race like this anyway, but thats not the point
Football – and back one of the big sides in the Carling Cup only for them to send out their reserves and get turned over?
Football – and back one of the big sides in the Carling Cup only for them to send out their reserves and get turned over?
….by Arsenal reserves! sorry couldnt resist…back to thread
Football – and back one of the big sides in the Carling Cup only for them to send out their reserves and get turned over?
But that’s perfectly legal, and you know what team will be playing prior to placing your bet as teams have to be made public at least 45 minutes before kick off.
If anyone backs a football team 3 hours before a game, only to their horror they find out that the reserves will be playing when the teams are announced (45 minutes before the game), then that’s their own fault. In this day and age, there is no excuse for not knowing what the team will be before placing your wager.
Mike
"………….teams have to be made public at least 45 minutes before kick off."
I didn’t know that.
Colin
Heffernans ride should have been pulled under the non triers rule. plain and simple. Im pretty sure stewards do not and would not have excepted his deliberatly tender riding (he was never going to get pulled). This is not an exceptable excuse. This is textbook NON TRYING and it stinks to high heaven
The only way around this is to make ALL 2yo races a hands and heels with all punters knowing wear they stood. The average punter doesnt give a hoot about nuturing horses, and why should he/she?Why would Ballydoyle give a hoot about the average punter? At the end of the day they will always protect their interests which is their prerogative. If their jockeys are instructed to give their 2 yr olds an education thats what will happen. Please be aware that I am not defending Ballydoyle here at all. Anyone who bets on a two year old maiden needs their head examined, its a minefield.
JohnJ.
Heffernans ride should have been pulled under the non triers rule. plain and simple. Im pretty sure stewards do not and would not have excepted his deliberatly tender riding (he was never going to get pulled). This is not an exceptable excuse. This is textbook NON TRYING and it stinks to high heaven
The only way around this is to make ALL 2yo races a hands and heels with all punters knowing wear they stood. The average punter doesnt give a hoot about nuturing horses, and why should he/she?Why would Ballydoyle give a hoot about the average punter? At the end of the day they will always protect their interests which is their prerogative. If their jockeys are instructed to give their 2 yr olds an education thats what will happen. Please be aware that I am not defending Ballydoyle here at all. Anyone who bets on a two year old maiden needs their head examined, its a minefield.
JohnJ.
Punters will always back in 2yr old maidens as there is betting on the race, so why should they not get a run for their money ??. Your type of attitude JJ is the same as all those trainers owners & jockeys, screw the punter. Its a pure case of biting the hand that feeds but the punter is toothless to bite back.
The only way around this is to make ALL 2yo races a hands and heels with all punters knowing wear they stood. The average punter doesnt give a hoot about nuturing horses, and why should he/she?
)…..thats whats been happening isnt it?
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