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Excerpt from Racing Post analysis on the 2.50 Naas yesterday.
"Psalm, a daughter of Sadlers Wells , was given a reminderbefore entering the final furlong, seemed to respond and began to close, but was then ridden with only hands and heels as her stable companion held the call up front. Her rider said afterwards " I gave her a crack and I suppose if I had really galvanised my filly I might have won but it was her first run and she was inexperienced and I want her to come forward" She looks a sure fire maiden winner on this eye-catching evidence".
All well and good being charitable to a lesser jockey Seamus, in this case 7lb claimer SM Leavey, well I can say one thing Mr Heffernan myself and many other of my fellow punters didn’t take too kindly to your acts of kindness and charity, even one more crack would have been sufficient to gain victory without having to beat Psalm up.
Here is a jockey who openly admits to not trying his hardest, and the stewards once again have done F- all about it. This has been the second such incident involving O Brien stablemates both ridden by Heffernan in as many months both times they get away scot free. I wonder if it was a journey man trainer and jockey instead of the elite would the stewards have acted differently ???.
While I agree about the MCL incident needing more done about it…this is just crap.
I backed Psalm yesterday, but I like every other punter should know a two year old first time out is not going to be hacked to pieces to win the races.Otherwise it just turns the horse sour for the future. Heffernan did use the whip on the horse but he was never going to go after the horse too much first time out…and rightly so.
The filly should have been presented at the racecourse fit enough to be asked to run (via the whip if necessary) to her best. Connections (owner,trainer,jockey) are all under an obligation to ensure that horses are doing their best to win. Nobody was suggesting she needed to be ‘hacked to peices’ aidan. Those were your words.
That said, I agree with Aidan in as much as punters should know what to expect with certain trainers who often have an eye on the future rather than the race at hand.
Plenty of two year olds come under stronger pressure than what Psalm did yesterday and don’t regress for it. I’m happy to sit between the pair of you on this one. Had I backed it, I’d be annoyed because it was definitely the best filly in the race.
Aidan (O’Brien)
So there’s one set of standards for one Ballydoyle horse (that’s off) and another that isn’t??
Because Shaun Levey, incidentally a 7lb claimer to those that don’t know, repeatedly resorted to the whip on the eventual winner, while Heffernan hit his filly once.
A very consistent policy so from that venerable establishment who have shown themselves once again to be immune from reprimand at the hands of the Irish stipes.
It looked poor, he didn`t need to give her another crack with the whip, a bit more animation from the saddle would have sufficed,certainly looked like team riding to me!!
http://play.www.atr.servecast.net/ppv/a … 14_02_1450
Thats terrible. Waaaaay too tender. We all know the story behind it and its not a good read
nice to think its not as bad over hereWhile I agree about the MCL incident needing more done about it…this is just crap.
I backed Psalm yesterday, but I like every other punter should know a two year old first time out is not going to be hacked to pieces to win the races.Otherwise it just turns the horse sour for the future. Heffernan did use the whip on the horse but he was never going to go after the horse too much first time out…and rightly so.
While I have been occupied the last few days, I think your post Aidan at least deserves a response.
I can fully understand a 2 yr old not been knocked about when its obvious he/she is not going to win the race, but when a horse in this case Psalm has every chance of winning the jockey should do his utmost to claim victory, punters are yet again treated like dirt, a necessary evil to be tolerated rather than listened to. Heffernan and every other jockey should remember that without us the punters, his employers wouldn’t be able to pay his wages as racing would be an afterthought, no punters no racecourses, no racecourses no trainers & no owners, no trainers no jockeys, no owners no breeders. About time the racing professionals remember who really pays the wages.As was also said in another post, plenty of 2 yr olds have had much harder introductions than Psalm had with no detrimental effect on the animal, another one of racings myths, if a horse has a hard race its going to go backwards, like the bounce theory bull-****, nobody is asking for the horse to be given the Mc Coy treatment first time out,
but to give punters a fair crack of the whip so to speak if you forgive the obvious pun.another one of racings myths, if a horse has a hard race its going to go backwards
Oh really?
another one of racings myths, if a horse has a hard race its going to go backwards
Oh really?
Give me your scientific proof Gareth, or give me an example where you think some 2yr old went backwards after a few cracks of a whip, better for the horse to learn early that the whip is going to be his biggest nemesis for the rest of he/she’s racing career.
I would disagree with opinion that whipping an inexperienced horse will have a negative effect.
Obviously it will not appreciate a damn good beating but a few cracks to let it know its supposed to try and win are only going to improve its attitude in future races.
Its all about opinions obviously but thats what i reckon.
I would disagree with opinion that whipping an inexperienced horse will have a negative effect.
Obviously it will not appreciate a damn good beating but a few cracks to let it know its supposed to try and win are only going to improve its attitude in future races.
Its all about opinions obviously but thats what i reckon.
Ditto,
Also welcome to the forum "ahitchcott"Madman, it’s the specific part of your post that I quoted that I’m querying; that it is a myth that a horse will go backwards because of a hard race.
Now, every horse is different. A small minority can take hard race after hard race and come back for more. Some can take a few hard races before showing signs of going backwards. Some need plenty of time between their races. Some can barely stand training.
Do you not think that claiming that it is a "myth" that a horse will go backwards after a hard race is overstating the case a tad?
Madman, it’s the specific part of your post that I quoted that I’m querying; that it is a myth that a horse will go backwards because of a hard race.
Now, every horse is different. A small minority can take hard race after hard race and come back for more. Some can take a few hard races before showing signs of going backwards. Some need plenty of time between their races. Some can barely stand training.
Do you not think that claiming that it is a "myth" that a horse will go backwards after a hard race is overstating the case a tad?
Ok Gareth some horses are mentally tougher than others, like us humans, but these excuses like Heffernan offerred all seem to be detrimental to the punter, surely a few cracks of a whip for a first time 2yr would be a stepping stone towards learning what is going to be required of him or her in the future, I don’t back in 2yr old races very often because I know that virtually half the field are for want of a better explanation are going to be non triers, or what the hacks like to say "horse was given a nice introduction" when really what they meant was the bloody thing wasn’t off a yard. This carry on is what you would call subtle non trying, which is excepted by trainers and stewards alike, as a fact of English/Irish racing, but other racing countries are much stricter, and any hint of non trying is dealt with swiftly and harshly which to me is the right way, every horse should be out to do its best regardless of age or inexperience. Take American 2yr olds their all raced frequently and often given fairly regular cracks of the whip, it does them no harm makes them tough as old boots and most of all the top American 2yr olds train on to become top 3 yr olds aswell.
The reason I backed Psalm is because I was in my local with a few pals and the race was on the box so we decided to have an interest in the race, we thought that this O Brien horse looked an e/w bet to nothing, to say there was a few F’s and blinds directed at Heffernan would be an understatement, we got our ew, but because a jockey decided to let the young lad Shaun Levey have a rare winner we were denied a tasty profit.
Everyone agreed after, that absoluetly nothing would be done about it, of course as you know, the Irish stewards turned their regular blind eye to Ballydoyle quietly ridden horse. Would you blame some punters for getting totally dissalusioned.
Madman, it’s the specific part of your post that I quoted that I’m querying; that it is a myth that a horse will go backwards because of a hard race.
Now, every horse is different. A small minority can take hard race after hard race and come back for more. Some can take a few hard races before showing signs of going backwards. Some need plenty of time between their races. Some can barely stand training.
Do you not think that claiming that it is a "myth" that a horse will go backwards after a hard race is overstating the case a tad?
Ok Gareth some horses are mentally tougher than others, like us humans, but these excuses like Heffernan offerred all seem to be detrimental to the punter, surely a few cracks of a whip for a first time 2yr would be a stepping stone towards learning what is going to be required of him or her in the future, I don’t back in 2yr old races very often because I know that virtually half the field are for want of a better explanation are going to be non triers, or what the hacks like to say "horse was given a nice introduction" when really what they meant was the bloody thing wasn’t off a yard. This carry on is what you would call subtle non trying, which is excepted by trainers and stewards alike, as a fact of English/Irish racing, but other racing countries are much stricter, and any hint of non trying is dealt with swiftly and harshly which to me is the right way, every horse should be out to do its best regardless of age or inexperience. Take American 2yr olds their all raced frequently and often given fairly regular cracks of the whip, it does them no harm makes them tough as old boots and most of all the top American 2yr olds train on to become top 3 yr olds aswell.
The reason I backed Psalm is because I was in my local with a few pals and the race was on the box so we decided to have an interest in the race, we thought that this O Brien horse looked an e/w bet to nothing, to say there was a few F’s and blinds directed at Heffernan would be an understatement, we got our ew, but because a jockey decided to let the young lad Shaun Levey have a rare winner we were denied a tasty profit.
Everyone agreed after, that absoluetly nothing would be done about it, of course as you know, the Irish stewards turned their regular blind eye to Ballydoyle quietly ridden horse. Would you blame some punters for getting totally dissalusioned.
What a load of pocket talking garbage. How can you state that every American 2 yr old is raced frequently and are regularly cracked with the whip, you watched every two year old American race, got the stats to back it up? And as far the stewards turning a blind eye, I hope you agree that this is happening in both Ireland and GB, because as you stated previously a lot of 2 yr olds are never put into a race. So the stewards are also turning a blind eye to the trainers of these horses also…
Hope the hole was not too big in your pocket Marz.
JohnJ.
nice to think its not as bad over here
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