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    darren83
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    ANDASTRA 50/1 Stan James

    Trained by Beckett who won race 2times already a trainer who does well with filles no doubt we see best of her next year she looks a high class horse.

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    looked a decent performance,my only reservation (although at the prices you got wouldn’t put you off) she did seem to hit the ground quite hard,maybe it was greeness,or she could always be better with a bit of juice in the ground

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    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    I expect Coolmore to beat her better fancied stable companion ‘Minding’ today in the Group 1 fillies mile and stamp herself as a serious Oaks contender for next year.I have backed both Ballydoyle and Coolmore for both classics and in doubles but today will tell us just who should go where.’Minding’ is a Group 1 Filly too but I think Soft ground is what she will excel in and come next spring hopefully she wont get it..Sorry Darren!Some will say that being a full sister to ‘Gleneagles’ means ‘Coolmore’ wont get a yard over a mile but I’m of the opinion had ‘Gleneagles’ ran in the Derby he’d have won so stamina doubts dont concern me.16/1 is still available but wont be after today.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Yes agree Gord. Looking at her and the way she races, she wants a trip and is the equivalent to Australia.

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    darren83
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    Nath this COOLMORE it not like my AUSTRALIA from day one this colt was a derby winner in waiting and prove me right.COOLMORE will be better over a trip at 3 but she not beat MINDING

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Minding looks the finished article, however if she improves again for a winter on her back she’ll be one hell of a horse.
    Coolmore is a backward sort but next year over the distance of an Oaks she’ll be much better.

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    Avatar photoThe Tatling Cheekily
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    If Coolmore wasn’t called Coolmore nobody would give her a prayer of ever beating the impressive Minding. And she won’t.

    BUY THE SUN

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    darren83
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    Bump this up now any views on race

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    Avatar photoJohn_Anthony
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    Turrent Rocks did extremely well for a middle distance bred filly last term, winning a Group 2 and placed in top company on her final start. She looks a no-nonsense, straight-forward type, and attractively priced at 25/1.

    This guy is a machine. All he does is work out and pick winners. Talk about fit. You should see him without his shirt off, serious side of beef.

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    Coolmore is an extremely bad horse…looks bad, bad action bad everything. Minding will be extremely hard to beat in the oaks!

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    Fadillah made a nice start for William Haggas at Haydock today.

    A 1.2 Million Euro daughter of Monsun, this mile race on good ground looked short enough for her. It looked as if she had plenty to do but finished to good effect and got up to score nicely.

    I am sure one of the trials will be next on the agenda, with Newbury or York being possibles before tackling the full mile and a half in The Oaks.

    I had a wee tickle at 25/1 before today’s race and was pleased with the performance.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Gee whiz, Willie Haggas doesn’t half get on your nerves.

    He’s one of the trainers, Roger Varian being another, who always seems to get the “In the right hands” quote from Timeform when they are previewing the chance of one of their inmates in any given race.

    William gets very expensive and well bred horses to train but he rarely converts these into Classic winners and you have to wonder why?

    What doesn’t help is the pessimism and in some ways he makes John Gosden look like Clive Britain.

    Let’s take Fadillah, whom I mentioned above. She made a winning debut looking like she did it despite the trip looking short and the race time looking slow enough that it wouldn’t play to the strengths of a horse with her pedigree and bring stamina to the fore.

    Instead of looking at the positives Willie Haggas starts wittering on about the filly being fragile and the Oaks perhaps not being the right race for her. Jesus, he only just added her to the Oaks, so why bother if you are going to take such a negative view?

    Come on Willie, stop all this pessimistic nonsense, get the filly into the Swettenham Stud Trial and then go tear the Coolmore mob a new one in the Epsom Oaks. I have Viagra I can send if you need some.

    Less Wimpy Willy and more Bullish Billy please :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    No question ‘Minding’ was impressive today in the 1000gns but the eyecatcher of the race was definitely my Oaks filly Ballydoyle,she should have finished a clear 2nd with a better ride and certainly wasn’t stopping.I still think she needs good fast ground and thats my only reservation.What she does possess is a turn of foot and if she does take the Oaks route I can see her turning the tables on the mighty ‘Minding’.Of course my 20/1 vouchers are talking here but I cant see connections not having a go….Well they did with both her full Sisters and neither featured in their respective 1000gns so fingers crossed as she is a very high class filly.I wouldn’t write off Coolmore in this either,she’s 55’s on the machine and looks like she needs a trip now.

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    As Steve, I’m on the Minding Guineas-Oaks double, and like Steve I also believe we are successfully over the tougher half of that bet. I was quite impressed with Swiss Range win in the Pretty Polly (more so than So Mi Dar’s win) and I’m very keen to see how Somehow runs at Chester, but I would be very surprised if there was a better filly than Minding out there. I’m not convinced Ballydoyle will face Minding again. IMO, its gonna be French 1000 Guineas (Alice Springs), Irish 1000, Prix De Diane (Ballydoyle) and Oaks (Minding, Somehow), but this is of course just guesswork at the moment.

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    I wouldn’t write off Coolmore in this either,she’s 55’s on the machine and looks like she needs a trip now.

    Worth a punt at those odds, will be a trip that suits at least.

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    I don’t think Ballydoyle will head to Epsom. The better filly by miles won today, with Ballydoyle being the usual horse from the back coming past beaten horses that deceives punters time and time again.

    The French Oaks will be a better race for her in my opinion and I don’t see her as a mile and a half filly.

    I reckon So Mi Dar is appalling value for the Oaks after a neck win from Humphrey Bogart last time. Aidan’s Claudio Monteverdi stank the place out that day and it looks ordinary form at best.

    I will leave Coolmore to the more intrepid punters. I have seen enough to make my mind up that she isn’t up to the top of the tree and the Nell Gwyn where she was 5th now reads 5 runs 0 Wins 0 Places for form. She has not really looked an Oaks sort either, unless Aidan has ballsed up her placing.

    There is still some 11/10 around on Minding and that’s a good bet in my opinion. Once the trials come and go and punters realise there isn’t a true top notcher in there, the odds will quickly contract. I honestly wouldn’t go more than 4/6 myself. Guineas form is the strongest form and Minding exceeded my expectations today in the manner of her win.

    11/10 is like finding money lying in the street in my opinion.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Are you sure Coolmore hasn’t won a race Steve…?
    Her maiden was a mile race, shortest distance was 7 furlongs, a step up in trip would be next on the agenda, I’d bet money on that, whether she can improve for a step up and be good enough is another thing but I still think She is a bit backward and there is improvement in her.

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