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    Concert Hall @ 16/1

    Started off in the same maiden as Snowfall last year and like most of the stables past winners of this had a busy campaign running six times, taking in the well used path of Debutante, Moyglare and Fillies Mile races.

    As a few other people on the 1000 Guineas thread pointed out she was extremely eyecatching in the Moyglare to finish fourth.Then won the Weld Stakes which Imagine and Qualify also won before being beaten just 4 lengths in the Fillies Mile again looking like a step up in trip would suit.

    Very encouraging with this race in mind to see her starting off over 10 furlongs on Saturday at Navan in a decent looking race. Could easily fit an Oaks trial in after this run and not the end of the world if beaten on her first run back. Would certainly be catastrophic if she was beaten out of sight though. :yes:

    #1595014
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    I’ve taken 33/1 Mise En Scene, staying on fourth to Inspiral in the Fillies Mile, and 10/1 Tuesday, which is highly unusual for me as I hate backing Maiden winners for Classics, but the Oaks often goes to something with an OR of around 115 and she’s won at a mile with a pedigree that screams middle distances to me.

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    #1595027
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    Tuesday 13-2 ew

    #1595068
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    Tuesday is an absolutely horrendous price

    Anyone taking 4/1 on her after winning a maiden needs their head checking

    Anything below 10/1 is just poor value to me

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    I admit I thought twice before taking 10/1 about a Maiden winner – I wouldn’t do it for any other Classic tbh as I think there aren’t that many top-class 3yo fillies and there are even fewer top-class 3yo fillies with 1m4f pedigrees.

    I prefer pattern form and ORs in excess of 100 before getting involved usually.

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    Emily Upjohn very impressive here at Sandown Park.

    Time only slightly slower than the colt Westover who was carrying 6lb less.

    8/1 for the Oaks now.

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    Was a very good performance considering she was carrying a penalty

    #1595237
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    She certainly looked impressive and the time was very respectable but it’s the age-old question: what did she beat? 🤔

    Definitely looking forward to seeing her in one of the trials, though.

    #1595270
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    Actually, the 78-rated winner of the last was quicker so the filly’s time wasn’t all that, really.

    Still a nice prospect, though, but with no time to back it up like Gladiateur says: “what did she beat?”

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    #1595408
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    Added Concert Hall 13-1 ew for now.

    #1595438
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    Emily beat what was probably a nice field. A lot of well bred top stable stuff there and I think this race has a record too (might be wrong)

    8s is a definite good price

    #1596579
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    Tuesday and With The Moonlight have both run good Oaks trials today IMO.

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    #1596583
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    Agreed Ian, have backed both. :good:

    Why is WTM still 9/1? :unsure:

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    #1596591
    FinalFurlong91
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    Because the form is crap ginge?

    The second got beat in a class 5 novice at Wolverhampton the time before

    That would have to temper enthusiasm

    I do like the look of her breeding, by Frankel out of a dubawi mare is about as good as it gets

    Much like Emily upjohn next time will tell us much more

    #1596594
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    Buick said that the WTM race fell apart and that she might get a half and a mile. So form possibly iffy and 12f not certain.

    #1596603
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    If the form is “crap” what time would you expect a good horse to do, FF?
    Two fastest races at Newmarket today:

    With The Moonlight 0.077 seconds per furlong slower than standard despite what seemed slowish early fractiions.

    Cachet 0.069 seconds per furlong slower than standard.

    That is a time that would not be done by a “crap” filly.
    The second is lightly raced and obviously improved. Mashaaer isn’t top class but she was beaten very easily.

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    #1596608
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    It’s crap form on paper ginge as I said we will know more next time

    9/1 doesn’t look overly generous to me for what she’s achieved though I’d say that about all the horses in the market

    Something notable about both the 1000 and 2000 guineas was that the antepost markets were absolute robbery on almost all of the fancied runners

    The prices on antepost markets these days is so poor you are almost forced to back horses before they run

    The 40s she was pre race would like great now but I definitely don’t think anything single figures is worth taking

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