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St marks basilica looks the best miler out of an average bunch. Not till they take on palace pier will we know where they stand. Form lines are muddled and I’ll wait till after ascot to see who is the best. Bolger got lucky with the ground today. That’s just the way it goes. A decent ground st James palace I’ve no idea who wins. Smb probably won’t be there so it’s wide open.
Jack youre not making any sense to me.
3rd in the race your claiming a formboost was a 98 rated horse needing much further. He was 4th.
Today he won a 2000g.
I’d say today’s Mac Swiney is a different Mac Swiney to the one Balshoi Ballet beat, no?
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Oh i see. The 2nd and 3rd havent run since tbf. So the 4th winning the irish guineas is more a plus than a minus to me as far as BB is concerned.
MS was better today but the suspicion is he had his ideal testing conditions today as well.
If that race was on fast ground i dont believe he would have won.Agreed mike. That was extreme going far worse than Van Gogh faced in France. God knows why Van Gogh was running here when he needs further. I can see why folk are doubting Bolshoi ballet but the Dante form looks shaky to me given that hd was clearly in need of the run and how close megallan was. Always impossible to say who will come forward the most but bb has a potent turn of foot so if he does stay he wins imho.
If we go on Mac Swiney not being right in the Derrinstown then Bolshoi Ballet’s form is looking shakier by the day. Surely you will get bigger than 2/1 on the day.
Taipan hammered today by some very average looming sorts was 3rd and 5th to bb this season
Flying visit who finished 2nd to bb has run twice since including today and finished 7th and 8th
Botchy that depends if you believe Mac Swiney is the same horse on decent ground as testing ground. I don’t.
Still can’t get the burst of speed Bolshoi ballet showed out of my mind. He was coasting in the last furlong so was much better than the bare form. I agree his price is short and Van Gogh at the prices is the best value especially as peeping fawn improve dramatically once stepped up to 12f.
Not very scientific, but the fact Mac Swiney hasn’t yet backed up a winning performance (5-1-9-1-8-1-4-1) puts me off for Epsom. Wouldn’t rule out another G1 later in the year though.
MS was better today but the suspicion is he had his ideal testing conditions today as well.
If that race was on fast ground i dont believe he would have won.Judged by his 2yo form no he wouldn’t have been the winner on better ground which effectively sounds like you are agreeing with me about the form boost comment. Bolshoi Ballet had a race under his belt, and good ground over Mac Swiney. Completely different conditions today, so it’s hard for me to see it as a proper form boost at all. It’s more a positive than a negative of course.
I really like Bolshoi Ballet and he’ll take some pegging back in what looks an average enough Derby to me.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!“Judged by his 2yo form no he wouldn’t have been the winner on better ground which effectively sounds like you are agreeing with me about the form boost comment.”
Not at all. You have just admitted Mac Swiney would be behind BB last time because of the ground, therefore the form would have been boosted regardless. So it sounds more like you agreeing with me.
For decades in the racing media, pundits/writers have said “The form of Horse A received a boost when the horse that was behind him, Horse B, won Race X”. Even when the horse behind may have not been right they still say something like, “The form of Horse A received a boost when the horse that was behind him Horse B won Race X, albeit Horse B may not have been at his best”. All I’m doing is talking their language
It’s all about how one goes about interpreting a result. Not everyone will agree. We just don’t agree with an element of BB’s last one which is fine.
I’ve checked the weather forecast on the Met Office website.
Friday 28 May-Sun 6 June
High pressure will be the largely dominant feature across the UK during this period, as it gradually builds in from the west. This will bring mainly fine and settled conditions across the UK, with temperatures recovering and feeling locally warm in southern and central areas.No Mike,
A “form boost” must mean the form of one race has been boosted by another. In this case there was no form boost to BB because MS did not run to form in BB’s race due to the ground.Yes, you might get someone in the media saying it’s a “form boost”, but they’d be wrong. ie Only saying it is because they haven’t realised the significance of the ground and / or ignored the form of other horses in the race.
Value Is EverythingMatt Rennie mentions the boosting of the form here too and I have read it elsewhere…
As I said its about individual interpretation of a result, not everyone will agree.
“Not at all. You have just admitted Mac Swiney would be behind BB last time because of the ground, therefore the form would have been boosted regardless. So it sounds more like you agreeing with me.”
Gotta be honest I’m not seeing that logic at all
agree with Jack
If a horse gets beaten on unfavourable ground and runs well below its best
Then wins next time on the ground it likes youd have to be stretching the truth to take that as a form boost for the winner of its previous race
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