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May 14, 2021 at 18:46 #1540836
Derab got stuffed by Snow Lantern, who subsequently got stuffed in a fillies listed race. He’s no Derby horse.
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May 14, 2021 at 19:03 #1540840Ttc snow lantern obviously didn’t run any kind of race today
She pulled too hard and didnt give anything like her proper running
Derab likely won’t run in the Derby, its not usually gosdens style to overface a horse
He may still be very good though as he gains experience as he wasn’t very streetwise in either of his first 2 runs
May 14, 2021 at 19:07 #1540842Derby horses don’t have excuses. Save Workforces slipped saddle.
Yes he may well be a decent older horse, who knows.
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May 15, 2021 at 07:38 #1540909There’s no chance Derab goes to Epsom I’d say, its 3 weeks away and he’s not gone beyond a mile yet. I think if they were serious about Epsom they’d have sent him for a trial or at least stepped him up in trip for his next start, the fact they’ve kept him to a mile and relatively calmer waters suggests he’ll be a long-term project. In fact looking at the post-race quotes from Gosden you’d want that 16/1 he was cut to just to turn up, Gosden hasn’t even said they’ll definitely be going to 10F next time and they are talking more about the Hampton Court.
May 15, 2021 at 08:52 #1540919Why does Hurricane Lane get no love? Is it because he isn’t winning by 5 lengths? He’s undefeated in 3 races and has looked fast, like he stays and has a winning attitude, he’s even still a very generous price considering he won the Dante!
May 15, 2021 at 14:13 #1541007I’m not sure about love Ben but he certainly warrants a lot of respect he’s the leading contender from these shores that is for sure, he’s uncomplicated in terms of tactics, should stay the trip and handle the track and his form is pretty solid and got another boost just now with Tasman Bay running a nice race in Listed company. I think above all else he’s mature and ready for the challenge mentally which a few might not be.
May 16, 2021 at 06:35 #1541188AGreed mate, he could well get beaten by something that’s a bit special but I feel hes a solid enough yardstick!
May 22, 2021 at 15:26 #1541811Bolshoi Ballet form given a nice boost.
May 22, 2021 at 16:39 #1541828Gutted for Hollie, she was very hopeful of getting the John Leeper ride in the Derby. Rubbish decision by connections, in my opinion.
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May 22, 2021 at 16:47 #1541831Mike, I’m not sure about that.
Jim Bolger said that Mac Swiney was found to have had a respiratory infection following the Derrinstown. Therefore, I would put a line through Mac Swiney’s running that day.
You saw the real Mac Swiney today.
May 22, 2021 at 17:40 #1541833Id agree with that mac swiney definitely didn’t run his race in the derrinstown
May 22, 2021 at 18:27 #1541840Mac Swiney given an RPR of 119 for today’s win.
Based on RPRs he is the highest rated horse entered in the race.
May 22, 2021 at 18:54 #1541843I think to be honest you cannot anything from that race regards the derby unless it’s very soft at Epsom. Only the front two really handled the ground and Van Gogh was paddling by the end. On good ground the derby is between the two of aidens and hurricane lane imho. All about opinions but the first two need the soft going to have a chance.
May 22, 2021 at 19:34 #1541847All about opinions but the first two need the soft going to have a chance. ^^
The second won the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket on fast ground, he doesn’t need soft going.
The third; Van Gogh won a group 1 in France on heavy ground, so he’s proven in the past he can be very competitive on soft ground.
May 22, 2021 at 19:51 #1541848Mac Swiney wouldnt have beaten Bolshoi Ballet i dont think as he is a testing ground horse. A soft ground Derby and he would come into it.
May 22, 2021 at 19:52 #1541849Aidans 3yos milers are just a bit naff this year
We will find out in a week or two whether his middle distance colts are any better
May 22, 2021 at 20:20 #1541854Mac Swiney goes from being beaten by a 98 rated horse needing 2m to winning a 2000G and Mike’s claiming a formboost. Love it
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