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Im largely with Reet here (for a change
)But ultimately have to blame frankies tactics more than the team tactics. He rode a shocker. why couldnt he be closer to the pace? Very odd. hes hardly a horse that needs to be produced on the line FFS
Wheres steve cauthen when you need him ?
Not really a fan of the flat but….
Moore played a blinder,the guy did his homework and got the deserved for his efforts.
As for Authorized i think he struggled on the ground (good to soft) but i have a suspicion it was tacky,its been said by others i wouldnt give up on him yet hes a very very good horse.
And he can always turn to NH he would be made very welcome in a novice hurdle up here at Kelso.
All jokes aside i think it was a fair result,even Geoge fans can take a big plus out of the race that was more like the old boy today.
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set up by the appalling team tactics of the Irish in isolating the pacemaker and slowing down the rest of the field.
This is an idiotic comment.
Steve
And of course, you being so bright, knew the Irish horses had been entered as spoilers before the race,and therefore weren’t ridden at all on merit; just to screw the pace for the non AoB horses.
Such foresight, pity you didn’t think to let us idiots know beforehand?
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Not really a fan of the flat but….
Moore played a blinder,the guy did his homework and got the deserved for his efforts.
As for Authorized i think he struggled on the ground (good to soft) but i have a suspicion it was tacky,its been said by others i wouldnt give up on him yet hes a very very good horse.
I would suggest the ground (actually good?) probably wasn’t soft enough for him at this distance, and that, allied to only an ordinary pace, probably cost him the race.
(And, of course, Frankie riding him as if he were Pegausus).And of course, you being so bright, knew the Irish horses had been entered as spoilers before the race,and therefore weren’t ridden at all on merit; just to screw the pace for the non AoB horses.
I’m fascinated, how exactly did they “screw the pace”?
Or, how did they slow down the non AO’B horses? Do you think they were blocking them?
And, given that Authorized was at the back of the race for the first half, how was he not “screwing the pace” for Notnowcato, GW and Admiralofthefleet?
I look forward to your analysis of these issues.
Steve
And of course, you being so bright, knew the Irish horses had been entered as spoilers before the race,and therefore weren’t ridden at all on merit; just to screw the pace for the non AoB horses.
I’m fascinated, how exactly did they “screw the pace”?
Or, how did they slow down the non AO’B horses? Do you think they were blocking them?
And, given that Authorized was at the back of the race for the first half, how was he not “screwing the pace” for Notnowcato, GW and Admiralofthefleet?
I look forward to your analysis of these issues.
Steve
Steve,
You have to admit, whether it worked in their favour or not (evidently not), the AoB horses did spoil the role of the pacemaker.
The pacemaker set off at a normal pacemaker’s pace, the 2 AoB horses then took him on. The jockey on the supposed pacemaker then said to himself, “hang on, I am supposed to be leading”, so he then quickened and went faster than would have liked in all probability. The 2 AoB horses then clearly slowed, leaving the pacemaker way in front and setting far too fast a gallop, which is why it was ignored.
I don’t really care what the AoB horses did as they did nothing underhand, and in the end an AoB horse didn’t win the race – but anyone would have to be stupid not too see what their intentions were, which in my opinion was to spoil the role of the pacemaker, making the pacemaker a non existent part of the race. Whether it worked or not, well thats open to debate.
Mike
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And of course, you being so bright, knew the Irish horses had been entered as spoilers before the race,and therefore weren’t ridden at all on merit; just to screw the pace for the non AoB horses.
I’m fascinated, how exactly did they “screw the pace”?
Or, how did they slow down the non AO’B horses? Do you think they were blocking them?
And, given that Authorized was at the back of the race for the first half, how was he not “screwing the pace” for Notnowcato, GW and Admiralofthefleet?
I look forward to your analysis of these issues.
Steve
We idiots don’t need to analyse, we just watch the race!
When we see 2 horses from the same stable being ridden vigorously for the first furlong, and then deliberately reined in for the second, even we suspect they’re not being ridden on their merits.Unbelievable stuff. Somehow we’re attempting to criticise the AOB team for ignoring the pacemaker!!!!
Someone explain to me please what was wrong with the way any of the AOB horses were ridden? (Apart from the obvious mistake of not tacking over to the stand rail of course)
looked to me like the riders of Yellowstone and Archipenko had a brief chat before reining back in unison. If that’s not team tactics I don’t know what is. Never seen anything like it and should never do so again. Quite appalling and exacerbated by the fact that officialdom seems to think it’s all ok. Well it’s not and more people should stand up and say so.
But were they ridden for the best indvidual merits?
Cant see that they were.
So Yellowstone, the 50/1 shot, could have been ridden differently and finished better than 4th in what is likely to be rated a career best effort by some way?
Didnt see the race went to see my beloved Kildare actually win a football game, but there seems to be a great deal of differing opinions over the eclipse, I will reserve my judgement. "put that humble pie in the oven love"
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Unbelievable stuff. Somehow we’re attempting to criticise the AOB team for ignoring the pacemaker!!!!
Someone explain to me please what was wrong with the way any of the AOB horses were ridden? (Apart from the obvious mistake of not tacking over to the stand rail of course)
Corm
It is plain to see that Archipenko and Yellowstone’s main intention was to harass the pacemaker, not to ignore him. This they did – as a team – being ridden in unison until their job was complete.
Where the 2 horses finished is academic, as it obviously was to team O’Brien before the race had started.
What I find amazing about the whole business is that a blatant and concerted attempt to frig a result is so readily accepted, would any have been so tolerant had the trainer’s name been Curley?We idiots don’t need to analyse, we just watch the race!
What you’re really saying is that you can’t answer any of the questions.
Steve
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We idiots don’t need to analyse, we just watch the race!
What you’re really saying is that you can’t answer any of the questions.
Steve
Not so as you would understand!
The criticism of AOB’s jocks here is ridiculous. While the pacemaker is there to artificially enhance the chance of the favourite winning, he also, by design, is there to decrease the chances of anything which would prefer to win off a false pace, so I think the move by those in blue and orange to get him haring off into oblivion was genius. If that breaks rules on "team tactics", then those rules should be torn up forthwith.
The criticism of AOB’s jocks here is ridiculous. While the pacemaker is there to artificially enhance the chance of the favourite winning, he also, by design, is there to decrease the chances of anything which would prefer to win off a false pace, so I think the move by those in blue and orange to get him haring off into oblivion was genius. If that breaks rules on "team tactics", then those rules should be torn up forthwith.
Yes it was really genius!!!! Remind me again which horse of Aiden O’Briens these genius tactics benefited.
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