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  • #4553
    cormack15
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    More questions than answers?

    However – good to firm, 10 furlongs, George Washington will wipe the floor with the Derby winner.

    #106491
    davidjohnson
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    An unsatisfactory race, run at an unsatisfactory pace won by the one horse that raced on the best ground, the only one of the three principals not to pull his chance away.

    #106492
    Flash
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    For a group one it was extremely unsatisfactory. Differing conditions are all part of the fun for handicaps and such like but for group ones you want uniform conditions for all.

    As Davidjohnson said, silly pace didn’t help either.

    Awful, race won by the jockey.

    #106493
    apalachee
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    I agree with DJ – very unsatisfactory for Authorized and George Washington fans – but hats off to Ryan Moore. He made the call when the others didn’t and that’s the difference between winning and losing today. THAT’S RACING!

    #106501
    heffo
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    I’d reserved my opinion on wether Authorized was the ‘real deal’ until after he had encountered older horses and probably a stronger field than todays.
    For his fans, I wouldn’t get too despondent just yet. First defeat since his debut and that’s still a 2nd in an Eclipse. He was disappointing today and never travelled as well in the home straight as he did in the last 4fs of The Derby but maybe it was just a below par run. He surely deserves another chance?

    #106504
    apalachee
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    All jockeys came to the stand side in the next at Sandown. Moore does it again. Would appear to confirm the jocks think the ground made the difference

    #106523
    Anonymous
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    All jockeys came to the stand side in the next at Sandown. Moore does it again. Would appear to confirm the jocks think the ground made the difference

    All it really confirms is that most jockeys are sheep. :D

    A few points from the race:

    Times show the ground to be no worse than good. GW’s run can’t be excused on grounds of the going.
    A dreadful race, set up by the appalling team tactics of the Irish in isolating the pacemaker and slowing down the rest of the field. A shameful attempt to thwart good horses in favour of their own doubtful stayer. So much for the integrity of racing. Fortunately, Ryan Moore was having none of it, and rode his own race.
    Frankie rode an abysmal race, on a horse proven at 12f, why did he sit off the only average pace, spotting Notnowcato a bigger start than Authorised was beaten by. Given the way the race was run, there is every chance Notnowcato would have won on either side; as it turns out, neither horse nor jockey will get the recognition they deserve.

    #106525
    Gareth Flynn
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    The pacemaker was there to purposely help his teammate. Is that less shameful somehow?

    #106530
    cormack15
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    A shameful attempt to thwart good horses in favour of their own doubtful stayer.

    As Gareth points out – running the pacemaker (not in the race to run on it’s merits and obtain best possible placing btw) could be construed as a shameful attempt to thwart good horses in favour of their own stamina laden animal.

    #106531
    heffo
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    Totally agree with last to posts. Whats the difference in one ‘team’ trying to slow things down and the other ‘team’ trying to speed things up?

    #106533
    Bosranic
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    Pacemakers can spoil a race but in this particular race it seemed beneficial. Can anyone argue with the result?

    The proven Group 1 horse in the conditions won, the Derby runners finished in the same order they did at Epsom, George Washington ran a fine race and proved he stayed 10F in a truly run race, Kandidate ran as well as expected and the pacemaker finished last (the sign of a job well done).

    #106538
    rory
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    Let’s face it ~ it was actually a tremendous race. The fact that the sexy horses were beaten doesn’t take away from it at all. Notnowcato was the most solid horse coming into the race and I think he may have won however the race panned out. It is sure to be remembered as one of the most intriguing runnings of the Eclipse, much as Bahri’s QEII is remembered for the brilliance of Willie Carson’s ride. It’s also intriguing to see that the only horse to race alone on the far side won the last at Sandown. When a field splits, it isn’t just the state of the going which determines the winner and punters are guilty of acting like the sheep they accuse jockeys of being.

    #106542
    Anonymous
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    A shameful attempt to thwart good horses in favour of their own doubtful stayer.

    As Gareth points out – running the pacemaker (not in the race to run on it’s merits and obtain best possible placing btw) could be construed as a shameful attempt to thwart good horses in favour of their own stamina laden animal.

    The difference being that one was openly entered, declared, and raced, as connections said it would be.
    If you liked what you saw today, or you think it good for the sport, fair enough, I think it stank.

    #106544
    Gareth Flynn
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    Was Yellowstone not ridden to maximum effect? Did he not achieve his best possible placing?

    #106559
    stevedvg
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    set up by the appalling team tactics of the Irish in isolating the pacemaker and slowing down the rest of the field.

    This is an idiotic comment.

    Why does any horse have to stay close to a pace maker?

    They (Yellowstone and Archipenko) were both a lot closer to Champery than Authorized. So, why wasn’t Authorized tactics appalling?

    Champery went off far too fast and the rest of the field knew they had to ignore him because he wasn’t going to last home.

    If Authorized needed to go faster than the Irish horses then, having been let down by his pacemaker, he needed to take his fate in his own hands.

    That’s what most horses have to do in most races.

    The idea that his opponents were somehow dishonest or immoral for not abandoning their own race plans just to help out the favourite is bafflingly daft.

    Steve

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