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  • #5037
    cormack15
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    I see a quote in the Telegraph which attributes K.Fallon as saying Dylan Thomas is the best horse he’s ridden.

    Surely not.

    #114162
    Gareth Flynn
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    How many better can you name?

    #114163
    aidanldrebin
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    Golan, Russian Rhythm, Bosra Sham, Ouija Board, Hurricane Run…

    #114164
    Himself
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    If Fallon thinks that, then who are we to argue.

    He has ridden many good horses in his time.

    Falbrav, Hurricane Run, Ouija Board and Peeping Fawn –

    to name but a few.

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    #114165
    aidanldrebin
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    Who does Fallon work for? Coolmore. Any hint of a smart horse and they are talked up as one of the best they have ever seen!

    #114166
    Gareth Flynn
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    Golan: Best RPR=129, 2 Group 1s (1 all-sex/all-age)
    Russian Rhythm: Best RPR=123, 4 Group 1s (1 all-sex/all-age)
    Bosra Sham: Best RPR=130, 3 Group 1s (1 all-sex/all-age)
    Ouija Board: Best RPR=124, 7 Group 1s (2 all-sex/all-age)
    Hurricane Run: Best RPR=133, 4 Group 1s (2 all-sex/all-age)

    Dylan Thomas: Best RPR=130, 5 Group 1s (3 all-sex/all-age)

    Going by that he’s right up there. Hurricane Run, and then only on the day of his Arc, is the only one I’d put significantly ahead of him personally.

    #114169
    aidanldrebin
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    Bar Ouija Board, please tell me what Dylan Thomas has beaten?

    For me he is just short of being a genuine Group 1 performer and he was exposed against the likes of Authorized and Manduro. Good horse but Fallon must be in a dream world to call him the best he has ever ridden.

    #114170
    Gareth Flynn
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    he was exposed against the likes of Authorized and Manduro

    He was indeed – exposed as a very very good horse.

    Of course if you don’t rate DT, ask yourself what has Manduro beaten – Holocene and Turtle Bowl?

    And Authorized? Eagle Mountain, Raincoat and Charlie Fairnsbarns?

    It’s as if we need a way of "rating" horses not just by who they beat, but by how far…

    #114171
    aidanldrebin
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    ‘Of course if you don’t rate DT, ask yourself what has Manduro beaten – Holocene and Turtle Bowl?

    And Authorized? Eagle Mountain, Raincoat and Charlie Fairnsbarns? ‘

    They were still good enough to beat Dylan Thomas though weren’t they?

    #114172
    Himself
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    Pat Eddery, Lester Piggott and Willie Carson have all been asked at one time or another which horse they considered the best they have ever ridden. They have all given different replies at different times.

    I have only heard three flat jockeys to consistently give the same answer to that question.

    Joe Mercer – Brigadier Gerard.
    Geoff Lewis – Mill Reef.

    and

    Pat Glennon, who, many years after his retirement, was asked by an Australian journalist to give the best horse he had ever ridden, replied. "Sea – Bird – not only best horse I’ve ridden mate, but the best I’ve ever seen."

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    #114173
    Gareth Flynn
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    ‘Of course if you don’t rate DT, ask yourself what has Manduro beaten – Holocene and Turtle Bowl?

    And Authorized? Eagle Mountain, Raincoat and Charlie Fairnsbarns? ‘

    They were still good enough to beat Dylan Thomas though weren’t they?

    The difference being that I *do* rate Dylan Thomas, and I also believe that it’s not just who you beat but by how far and in what way – hence Manduro slamming Turtle Bowl by 5 lengths, Authorized doing the same to Eagle Mountain and Dylan Thomas doing the same to Youmzain isn’t something I gloss over without a second thought.

    #114174
    Gareth Flynn
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    To be fair Himself, it was a bit of a no-brainer for Mercer, Lewis and Glennon! :D

    #114175
    Have fun
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    I don’t know what it is but DT just does’nt have that bit of magig I expect to see from a great horse maybe it will come but until then not a great fan of him

    #114177
    Flash
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    Dylan Thomas is a top class group one horse. He’s got to be up there with anything Fallon has ridden.

    I would ignore RPR’s though or at least take them with a pinch of salt.

    #114178
    Himself
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    To be fair Himself, it was a bit of a no-brainer for Mercer, Lewis and Glennon! :D

    Well, er, yes ! :lol:

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