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so fallon says dylan thomas is the best horse he’s ever ridden, BIG YAWN, him and kinane say that about different horses every year.
He is a fine horse who somehow hasnt captured the imagination. Certainly cannot be KF’s easiest ride (lol….hes had some of those…), so its alittle suprising he says that
He’s improving more and more i reckon, Fallon probably has a very very long list of top class horses he has ridden and Dylan Thomas Being one of them! But i reckon some are better than him by miles! But a very good horse none the less!
I see a quote in the Telegraph which attributes K.Fallon as saying Dylan Thomas is the best horse he’s ridden.
Surely not.
Well, if he wins the Arc and the Breeders Cup Turf or Classic I agree.
I’m more inclined to have a go at Fallon’s timing of his statement rather than the ability of DT. Definitely a bit spur of the moment, although I sincerely doubt he was reminiscing about Hurricane Run’s Arc when he said it!
Don’t forget this horse was only beaten 1/4 of a length in the English derby
Maybe a ‘silly little jumps boy’ moment here, but surely based on the form of the two he was beaten by that day his Derby run must go down as one of his lesser performances in top-class company?
Still an English derby Friggo, as long as I don’t see naked women running across the course distracting the horses I take it it was a decent race.
Normally I’d agree, but when the winner has returned form figures of 7466 since and the second was still a maiden until 2 weeks ago, you’ve got to make a special exception!
Sir Percy never ran up to within half a stone of his Derby winning form again.
Injuries I think destroyed the horse.
Sir Percy never ran up to within half a stone of his Derby winning form again.
I’d disagree with that. In my opinion his fourth in Dubai was at least as good as what he achieved in the Derby.
i reckon some are better than him by miles!
Which ones?
I meant there has been better that fallon has ridden before in his career, sorry should have been more clear!
Although this flat season other horses i like are Peeping Fawn, Echelon, and Authorized! Dylan Thomas is close after them.
I do think though, that Dylan Thomas is a better horse than George Washington. If George wasn’t such a ‘hot head’ perhaps he could be better? There is still a lot to come from Dylan Thomas though, I can’t see that with Gorgeous George as i’m sure the rest of you can’t!
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I reckon KF is in a better position than any of us to judge the horses he has ridden.
I also have little doubt that Dylan Thomas will vindicate his judgement if the Arc is run on anything approaching fast ground – whether Authorized and Manduro run or not.Gareth,
RPRs are merely someone else’s opinion and are as subjective as the views displayed by you and I on this very thread. Whilst they will, undoubtedly, hold some clue as to the ability of any particular horse they are of no consequence in such assessments. Views on handicapping and the awarding of certain ratings will change from year to year, so one figure can never be directly compared to another (something which is even more true if the ratings have not been awarded by the same person).
As for stating the number of group race wins and the types of races they were, what does that prove? All it says is that horse x won y number of races, competing against animals aged a to b. That doesn’t tell us what distance(s) they were won over, the conditions (in line with those considered ideal for said horse), the opposition or even when the quoted figures were achieved in comparison to the stated victories. Such statements are, therefore, completely useless.
The RPRs give a broad overview of where the horses lie in comparison to each other; the Group 1 records give a broad idea of how consistent and prolific the horses listed were at the very highest level.
I posted them up in an attempt to introduce some basic facts and educated independent opinion into the debate in the hope that they would help stimulate the discussion that I assume cormack had hoped would follow from his initial post.
Perhaps you’d prefer cormack’s original question to be met with ten replies of ‘yes’ and ten replies of ‘no’ and then someone can start yet another thread on which is better: flat or jumps?
Or maybe instead of sitting there slagging off other people’s posts you could actually do the in-depth research that you consider my "completely useless" post to be lacking in and share it with the forum?
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