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corals are offering 4 for soldier and 5’s for dukester for the arc. anyone no which is the certain horse for o’brien to run in it, or are they both running?
John,
AOB’s stated that SOF will go straight to the Arc so if you want a safe confirmed runner bet then SOF is your man
If Soldier of Fortune is going straight there, then I can’t see any circumstances, bar possibly an injury to Zarkava, that will see him trade at much, if any, shorter than he is now.
Apologies for drifting slightly [like an Alan Berry horse] off topic but I heard an interesting stat that Zamindar [sire of Zarkava] has only had five winner at 1m4f in the last ten years and indeed this distance has only been attempted 46 times by his progeny. In ten years!
i think the break would of helped dukester 2dai, therefore he should run it in the arc instead of sof, 1m2f or 1m4f, i bet johnny would pick dukester if he had the choice of the 2 n im sure i would.
I don’t see why they cant run the both of them, last year SOF ran with Dylan Thomas.
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i think the break would of helped dukester 2dai, therefore he should run it in the arc instead of sof, 1m2f or 1m4f, i bet johnny would pick dukester if he had the choice of the 2 n im sure i would.
Even Babelfish drew a blank.
Soldier on, my friends. Soldier on.
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It has to be soldier of fortune laid out for the race this year and the ground at longchamp will probably suit him better than the duke. The duke will probably go for the breeders cup turf. Cant see them running both.
Someone somewhere said that Duke hadnt galloped well last week and as Segal points out in the weekender, it could be that he hasnt recovered from Newmarket. It is still a tough business keeping a horse at the very top of his game throughout a long, even with AOB’s skills
SOF is simply held by Youmzain IMO and shouldnt be shorter
I heard an interesting stat that Zamindar [sire of Zarkava] has only had five winner at 1m4f in the last ten years and indeed this distance has only been attempted 46 times by his progeny. In ten years!
Zamindar’s first crop was 1999, so he had his first runners in 2001. As 2yos, they would not have run over 12f, so his first chance for them would have been in 2002. Still not great stats, but it has to be 6 and a half years, not 10.
I also strongly suspect that those figures are GB/Ire only, so would not include horses like Corriolanus, who has won and been placed over 12f in UAE.
And, if this is the case, it would also not include the vast majority of his 2002 and 2003 crops, which were foaled in the U.S.A. It is also worth remembering that those two American crops would not have been bred from staying damlines – those that came over here to race would have been speedier US types. Zarkava, with her strongly staying damline, is not typical of those two crops.
So, another case of lies, damn lies and statistics…
Someone somewhere said that Duke hadnt galloped well last week and as Segal points out in the weekender, it could be that he hasnt recovered from Newmarket. It is still a tough business keeping a horse at the very top of his game throughout a long, even with AOB’s skills
SOF is simply held by Youmzain IMO and shouldnt be shorter
Couldn’t agree more Clive.
There is just simply no way Soldier of Fortune should be any shorter than Youmzain.
In last year’s Arc, Youmzain proved much th superior.
SoF gained revenge when Youmzain was left with too much to do in the Coronation. However, this was followed with a more positve ride from Hughes in France next time out, which resulted in Youmzain cantering all over SoF before winning cosily. I couldn’t imagine anyone would have any excuses that day for SoF?
Youmzain is a good example of a horse who needs his ideal conditions to perform at his best; those being a fast pace (championship pace, if you must!) and good or softer conditions.
Some horses may never play their good hand until when it matters the most.
Fields Of Omagh is a wonderful example. He won 13 races in 45 starts lifetime, and of those only four of any insignificanee.
But somehow, everytime he turned up to the Cox Plate, he turned on a gear. Five appearances, two wins, one second, one third and one fourth.
In his final start in the 2006 Cox Plate, he was written off with average form at 20/1, but I insisted to have an E-W ticket because of this unique Cox Plate transformation he undergoes, and if every other horse was just a little off guard, he could pinch the race.
Won by a nose. Tears of joy that all horses really do have their own unique sixth sense.
And in this case, Youmzain could be just that individual.
Not so.Soldier of Fortune was making his effort when Dylan Thomas squeezed the field into the rail and he had to be checked.The Official Video loses him following the winner but being checked in the final phase destroyed his chance.Murtagh rode him that day and believes he would have won.
I’d love for you to show me the comment where Murtagh says that?
SoF was well beaten that day, regardless of Dylan Thomas’ meanderings across the track.
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