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Would presume they’re taking the second option due to the size of the fences etc. Easier to take in a few points at Dromahane or Dundrum, smaller fields etc. as a non winner of a hurdle or chase he’s also eligible for maidens/restricties/winners of one and then opens. If he wins over fences he’d have to run with Juveigneur, The Man From Slatt, Whyso Mayo, First Down Jets etc. in the open points.
In the 12.55 maiden hurdle at D’patrick I had to take a 2nd look at the weights as I noticed Kennedy Hill seemed to be carrying a penalty. It transpires it was for a win in a bumper. Has it always been the case bumper winners are penalised in maiden hurdles in Ireland? Are they in the UK?
Pretty sure Downpatrick is actually part of the UK Firefox..
I don’t know about the penalty for the bumper in the maiden hurdle but Lock Mor Lad didn’t carry a penalty for a bumper win in the first, though that was a handicap hurdle.
Lock Mor Lad, winner of a bumper and then cunningly placed in a bumper and five hurdle races achieving form of SP0000, but just before christmas opening at 20s in an 18 runner handicap hurdle then being backed in to 5s at the off and never looking back or seeing another horse as it bolts in
Anyone know if the stewards bothered to look up from their guinness and if so, what the trainer’s comments were?
Maybe Dean Mack should appoly for an Irish Licence….
…….and given a 10 length start by the rest.
Everyone happy with the result it seems.
Colin
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1) Some maiden hurdles in Ireland penalise previous winners whereas others do not, the opening maiden hurdle in NAvan tomorrow being a case in point tomorrow, where dual bumper winner Kimberlite King escapes a penalty.
2) Having A Cut ran in the hunter chase today because he is useless. And incidentally is not eligible for maidens as previously mentioned. Was flattered by his bumper form and has cut out easily on all his racetrack starts. The point to point he won was a confined maiden which was pretty uncompetitive, and a literally reading of his beating of Hold Em doesn’t do the latter justice as he has improved no end since leaving John Halley’s yard – not the first horse to do so either from that yard given Pandorama’s subsequent exploits.
Not in racing terms Bullie – the 6 counties come under the Rebublic’s governance when it comes to the gee gees.
Perhaps, they will certainly be filled with horses from the republic, but you’ll get paid out in pounds, not euros at Downpatrick and Down Royal.
To be pedantic, it isn’t actually previous ‘winners’ carrying a penalty, but non winners getting an allowance – the outcome is the same of course.
To give an example, conditions for a maiden hurdle at Thurles tomorrow (these can be found on http://www.irish-racing.com, click on cards) read as follows:
A hurdle race for four yrs old only, maidens at starting
Weights – 11st 7lb; Fillies allowed 5lb
Allowances – Horses that have not won a *race allowed 5lbAll but three of the runners claim the 5lb allowance, and those three all won a race on the flat.
I haven’t been able to find the definition of a race as per these conditions, but it appears to be any race under rules, so flat races and bumpers count, but points don’t.
For anyone interested in Irish racing that website is a valuable source of information.
Not in racing terms Bullie – the 6 counties come under the Rebublic’s governance when it comes to the gee gees.
Perhaps, they will certainly be filled with horses from the republic, but you’ll get paid out in pounds, not euros at Downpatrick and Down Royal.
There is no really "perhaps" about it….the tracks in the North are given fixtures/funding from HRI and so governed by that Irish organisation.
Indeed aiden, thanks for clarifying that, must admit though, that I was up until now unaware of the euro to euro, pound to pound situation, I have never actually come across that, north or south of the border. Its bad enough trying to get rid of scottish money in N.I., although I suppose a lot of the bookies would work the tracks north and south.
The only obvious difference between racing on either side of the border is that Tote Ireland doesn’t operate in the North. Neither does Tote UK for that matter.
Indeed aiden, thanks for clarifying that, must admit though, that I was up until now unaware of the euro to euro, pound to pound situation, I have never actually come across that, north or south of the border. Its bad enough trying to get rid of scottish money in N.I., although I suppose a lot of the bookies would work the tracks north and south.
More trainers running in Ireland due to the current exchange rate.
In December 2007 it was 1.46 Euro’s to the pound, at the start of November (before interest rate cuts) it was 1.23 Euro’s to the pound now we’re near enough at 1 Euro to the pound.
Makes running in Ireland, France etc. far more attractive and expect the flat trainers to follow the jumps boys this Summer.
I don’t know about the penalty for the bumper in the maiden hurdle but Lock Mor Lad didn’t carry a penalty for a bumper win in the first, though that was a handicap hurdle.
Lock Mor Lad, winner of a bumper and then cunningly placed in a bumper and five hurdle races achieving form of SP0000, but just before christmas opening at 20s in an 18 runner handicap hurdle then being backed in to 5s at the off and never looking back or seeing another horse as it bolts in
Anyone know if the stewards bothered to look up from their guinness and if so, what the trainer’s comments were?
Maybe Dean Mack should appoly for an Irish Licence….
In fairness he showed enough in his previous race over a longer trip at the same course to be considered for what was a very weak race.I’m just bulling I didn’t do the race as he’s just the type I back!
On the euro-pound thing it’s still staggering to me the number of out Flat horses going over to run for 2 and 3 grand at Wolves and Great Needs!
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