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I reckon Gingertipster could be a bluffer, according to himself he is a highly successful punter, with knowledge of the form book, speed figures etc second to none but I’ve never heard him mention of having any problems getting on with bookmakers, he even boasts about getting bog for his bets
He must be unique, maybe he marks their card for the bookmakers
I am nowhere near the best at using sectional times Eddie, just have some understanding how to use them.
Am sure you’re aware Eddie, I’ve said it often enough and getting sick of being asked to justify myself – both Stan James and Victor Chandler have officially closed accounts and the way some others limit bets they just as well be closed. eg Over 90% of my bets with Corals are limited to just £5, despite their "minimum bet" being £10.
Certainly getting more and more difficult to "get on" with bookmakers.
Would not like you to get the wrong impression Eddie. As Dave Nevison said in his book, there are professional gambler millionaires and there are professional gamblers on effectively a lavatory cleaner’s wage, I am sadly more towards the latter variety. But it’s a great way to make a living.
Hopefully, because I am not a big bettor will have no problems with Betfair.
Hope that’s enough private information for you.
Value Is EverythingGinge ….frailties abound …next time you back 3 horses in a 6 runner race at Kempton et al , you will be lucky to have one of them in the first 3 ….why ???
because form means nothing
because the winners are predetermined in the Jockeys room
because the winners are set up beforehand
because they can get away with it all of the time
why ??
the levy is based on losers like you . ~(no offence) and losing is good
Leave it alone ….you have no chance
in my opinion
Ricky
How many more times, I do not bet in Class 7, or Class 6, come to that seldom Class 5 (including Turf). For whatever reason I find it easier with higher grades.
I also have never got in to AW racing, not because it is all "bent". Can’t be an expert in all types of racing. Seem to be able to convert AW form to Turf but not the other way around.
However, just because I am not that good with AW / poorer class racing doesn’t mean other punters can not profit. Find where your expertise lay and stick to it.
Value Is EverythingRicky/Eddie/Woolf/Gord – GT has ‘proofed’ selections often on TRF and almost invariably comes out ahead. So, you can question his abilities all you want but he’s a)brave enough to stick selections on here ahead of time and b)clever enough to profit consistently from his selection/staking methodology.
Lazy punters, or those simply not clever enough to make it pay, are always the ones who, in my experience, are the first to blame ‘the game’ for their failure to find a way to profit. Like in life, where unsuccessful people will tend to blame ‘the system’ rather than taking a look inward.
Ricky/Eddie/Woolf/Gord – GT has ‘proofed’ selections
Hasn’t he just,millions of them but are they real David? Nope just a very unique way of laundering money.Do you think he’d get away with that style of betting in Cuba? Not being a percentage man myself I’d hazard a guess its only 99% true he PM’d you to protect his integrity.This is a super thread lets not ruin it…………
Corm , fair dues ……….but this thread is about the AW and how crooked it is …not about who makes it pay or who does not
Could we stay on topic please
cheers
imo
Ricky
Ricky/Eddie/Woolf/Gord – GT has ‘proofed’ selections
Hasn’t he just,millions of them but are they real David? Nope
Now what does that mean?
And no, I haven’t "pm’d" anyone!
Value Is EverythingJust pointing out that while others bleat about how ‘unfair’ it all is, GT consistently posts profits. You can’t argue with his results, or his methods. Many ways to skin a cat and his is one of the few ways I’ve seen on here that consistently work.
Back on topic Gord – "Sectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop"
In my view that is where the relevance of
overall times
is at its strongest and where sectionals are at their LEAST relevant.
What’s your definition of a ‘true gallop’ in any case?
Back on topic Gord – "Sectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop"
In my view that is where the relevance of
overall times
is at its strongest and where sectionals are at their LEAST relevant.
Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Don’t tell everyone David.
Value Is EverythingCorm , fair dues ……….but this thread is about the AW and how crooked it is …not about who makes it pay or who does not
In that case why don’t you provide evidence to back up your claims then ? Names,dates, places ?
Ken , why dont you drop a few names yourself old chap….
, it seems to be your mantra 
Corm , if you dont know what a true pace is by now , then I guess you need a new hobby ….but you are right if the overall time is fast , and its been run at an end to end gallop , then sectionals can tell you so much …like who likes it and who does not , so many things to deduce
If the pace is sedate and its a 1 or 2 furlong sprint …you are no wiser ….this is the way most AW races are run …hence sectionals are in those instances a waste of time
cheers
imo
Ricky – my question was to Gord.
But one for you, what would you define an ‘end to end gallop’ as? Even pace? How are you going to deduce the pace of a race without sectionals? By the eye? Only going to get you so far.
By your reasoning, as I read it, the only place sectionals are useful is when a race has been run in a relatively fast time, with an ‘even gallop’. Right?
Just pointing out that while others bleat about how ‘unfair’ it all is, GT consistently posts profits. You can’t argue with his results, or his methods
Indeed and don’t see how anyone can question the veracity of his methods, they’re there for all to see. They may confuse or get up the nose of those unable or unwilling to bet in a manner distinct from the bleedin’ obvious but that surely is the prerequisite of any method proven to beat the book: if such methods were utilised by all, or even many, then the edge derived from it would evaporate soon after the bandwagon was filled and ready to roll
And as for questioning the integrity of Ginger’s bets, well that does seem churlish in the extreme as from what I’ve seen of his DLAP threads, everything is ‘proofed in advance’ and cannot be questioned
I do though have some sympathy with Eddie Case’s persistent requests for Ginger to enlighten us about the problems he must surely have getting laid more than pennies by bookmakers, assuming that the tales about the current breed, reported frequently here and elsewhere are true; and Ginger seems to have finally supplied the answer I, for one, expected: it is true and pennies only it is
Time you gave them two-fingers Ginger and migrated to that blue and purple land of plenty, relatively speaking
There we are Ginger, I’ve been nice to you. Don’t swoon will you
Thanks Drone,
Much appreciated.I have gone over to the
"blue and purple"
a lot. Although usually give a bookmaker price on my thread, a significant number of my own bets are done on betfair. Sometimes there’s not enough liquidity to advise a betfair bet. Sometimes still advise VC, SJ, C etc to my follower when they’re the best price, yet need to take a betfair (or another bookmaker’s) price myself. Don’t like advising betfair prices that much anyway, even when there is some liquidity it can change quickly at the times I like to get involved.
Value Is EverythingBack on topic Gord – "Sectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop"
In my view that is where the relevance of
overall times
is at its strongest and where sectionals are at their LEAST relevant.
What’s your definition of a ‘true gallop’ in any case?
David you’ll need to try harder than that to catch me out but my point regarding sectionals was to undermine Gingers ridiculous comment about that being his ‘edge’ to successful betting.How can someone who suggests to his army of followers to bet on umpteen different horses incorporate times into his calculations? He doesn’t!
Anyway back to sectionals,there’s a big misconception about times,those of us who are serious clock watchers always compare the times of the whole card before concluding whether a particular race has a good timefigure,thing is though I only bet seriously on quality racing so the times are generally good anyhow.Trouble with sectionals is you can get bogged down with too much information,ie Wind direction,Front runners, and most crucially Going, so as far as I’m concerned anything that clocks 1m 35secs for a Guineas mile is above average and in the past 10yrs the best 2000gns winner again strictly on the clock was ‘Sea the Stars’,not ‘Frankel’ as evrything else that day ran into the same headwind and their respective times were on a par with Sir Henrys superstar.I dont give 2 hoots what a horse clocks furlong by furlong just so long as the end result reflects a time comparitive to conditions.so as far as I’m concerned anything that clocks 1m 35secs for a Guineas mile is above average and in the past 10yrs the best 2000gns winner again strictly on the clock was ‘Sea the Stars’,not ‘Frankel’ as evrything else that day ran into the same headwind and their respective times were on a par with Sir Henrys superstar.I dont give 2 hoots what a horse clocks furlong by furlong just so long as the end result reflects a time comparitive to conditions.
Some horse, that Cheerful Delights! Delegator never the same afterwards.
Had you taken more notice of sectional times Gordie Boy, you’d have realised much sooner just how good Frankel was.
When new evidence comes to light – punters need to be able to admit when they are wrong about a horse. Otherwise they’ll continue to miss out. Confidence is key, not over-confidence/intransigence.
Frankel ran the first 6f in sprint fractions, which must mean he’s better than distances back to the 2nd and 3rd suggest… And so it proved in subsequent races.
Value Is Everything
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