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  • #20790
    Racing Daily
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    The time for you to stand up and be counted. Do you think disabled people who <b>cannot</b> work should be sent to Argos and Poundland workhouses to work for their disability living allowance and severe disablement allowance?
    The ‘Spartacus Report’ is the nickname for the report compiled by the very disabled people Cameron is oppressing, that highlights govt lies, deceptions and misrepresentations being perpetrated by an uncaring govt with an agenda to force the disabled into homelessness and destitution. The Magna Carta is being rolled back, is breaching the Universal Declaration of Human Rights a step too far for the sake of austerity?

    #387135
    dave jay
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    I think the austerity business is a load of tosh personally and it is being used as a cover for the privatisation of public services and an unprecedented attack on our social/welfare system.

    The political elite in any country likes to think that the riff-raff (us) can be coheasred into working for nowt and robbed of benefits that they are entitled to.

    What else would you expect from the Con/Liberals, they are complete scum.

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    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    What else would you expect from the Con/Liberals, they are complete scum.

    As opposed to Labour and socialists who are hypocritical, unprincipled scum who could not be trusted to run anything as history has proved time and time again. Every time there has be a Labour Government it has been the Conservatives who have had to clean up the sh*t left behind.

    It makes me laugh that those who criticise these austerity measures most of all, are those who actually caused them in the first place – i.e. each and every person who chose to vote in Labour governments led by Bliar and Brown, although the latter was never actually elected Prime Minister by the electorate.

    It is funny how public servants protesting about proposed changes to their pensions have selective amnesia and forget the entire pensions crisis in both the private and public sectors is wholly down to the fiscal policies of Gordon Clown.

    #387183
    CavCav
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    The £32bn paper loss the UK taxpayer is nursing on its banking "investment" would pay for an awful lot of dignity, but when did poor sick people ever come before bankers…

    #387317
    dave jay
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    Paul, the so-called austerity measures are global and not donw to any particular governemnt. The crisis happened and the debt arose when the governemnts decided to nationalise the banks and prop up the collapse of capitalism. After that there was a recession, minus growth, which put governemtn spending out of line with ability to psy. Hence the so-called austerity measures.

    I remember the tories taking the blame for putting vat on fuel and killing off pensioners when in actual fact it was an eu directive.

    As per usual with the conlibs it will be the most vulnerable in society that suffer.

    You shouldnt believe all the propaganda that is thrown your way.

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    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    Paul, the so-called austerity measures are global and not donw to any particular governemnt. The crisis happened and the debt arose when the governemnts decided to nationalise the banks and prop up the collapse of capitalism. After that there was a recession, minus growth, which put governemtn spending out of line with ability to psy. Hence the so-called austerity measures.

    I remember the tories taking the blame for putting vat on fuel and killing off pensioners when in actual fact it was an eu directive.

    As per usual with the conlibs it will be the most vulnerable in society that suffer.

    You shouldnt believe all the propaganda that is thrown your way.

    The measures in the UK would not be so severe had Gordon Clown not sold most of our reserves and plunged us into deep debt.

    I always smiled at the way he claimed he was being prudent when, in fact, he was being anything but.

    There is little difference between Clown’s management of the economy and the irresponsible individual who blows whatever savings they may have had and then goes on a spending spree with their credit card, knowing full well they would not be able to service the debt.

    #387351
    Eclipse First
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    I think you’ll find Mrs Thatcher sold off most of our reserves years ago and used the oil revenue to hide the destruction of our industry. Her current plight is a just reward for the way she treated the country.

    #387359
    MatronMatron
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    "Her current plight is a just reward for the way she treated the country."

    What, an obnoxious remark.

    Hang your head in shame.

    #387362
    Eclipse First
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    While I would not wish illness upon anybody, I do have a great belief that you life treats you as you treat others. That she should allow a film to show her current plight is a far more noble and endearing testament to her character than anything she did while holding a political office.
    If my remark is any more obnoxious than allowing over 250 British Servicemen to be needlessly killed in the Falklands Conflict so that she could retain political power then I apologize.

    #387364
    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    That she should allow a film to show her current plight is a far more noble and endearing testament to her character than anything she did while holding a political office.

    The woman has dementia and would be in no position to give informed consent with regard making the film.

    #387368
    MatronMatron
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    "If my remark is any more obnoxious than allowing over 250 British Servicemen to be needlessly killed in the Falklands Conflict so that she could retain political power then I apologize."

    So, Argentina invades a British-owned island and we stand back and do nothing?

    #387369
    sberrysberry
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    By the standards of this forum this is a superb thread, the OP’s question has been completely ignored in preference of a straight 50/50 political name calling squabble with some nice comments such as "it’s good she’s terminally ill and suffering, she deserves it" – all we need is a whip and value element added in and we’ve got the triple crown – well people, what would the value be in whipping her and should there be any limit to the number of strikes?

    But back to the OP’s question, should people (including disabled) be asked to try a workplace environment for a bit, in return for their completely free life, why not?

    Having just finnished working in the public sector in westminster I can honestly say how amazed I was at the number of people with ‘disabilities’ who worked, more days and harder than me – some were completely blind, some had no legs, some were totally wheelchair bound, but they all made it in every day and did the same job as others.

    There are over 1.5 million long term sick claimants here and that classifies them as ‘disabled’ – this may be because they have a bad back, difficulty walking or might be suffering from stress – all conditions that GPs were effectively encouraged to just sign off.

    I don’t think anyone would suggest somebody who can’t work should be forced to do ‘menial’ work for benefits but there are many jobs out there that can be done by most people, if others can commute to London without legs or when blind and work, travel shouldn’t be used as an excuse and we can all say we’re stressed to some extent, too many easy excuses and too soft a system allowing them.

    So yes, long term benefit recipients should be encouraged to try the experience of rejoining the work arena, work is good for the body and soul and it might just help them realise they could try it more permanently, if not, in current climates let’s get some work out of them for the money at least.

    I know too many people who admit they are playing the game as it so easy to do so, let’s raise the bar a bit.

    #387370
    Eclipse First
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    She and her advisors could have negotiated an agreement months before that, or failing that made it abundantly clear that we would defend our sovereign territory. Don’t kid yourself that it was anything other than a political exercise planned from late 1979 onwards.
    I’m sure in that respect, she is no better or worse than any other politician in high office.

    #387457
    dave jay
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    By the standards of this forum this is a superb thread, the OP’s question has been completely ignored in preference of a straight 50/50 political name calling squabble with some nice comments such as "it’s good she’s terminally ill and suffering, she deserves it"

    Simon, the OPs question is actually a nonsense .. what are all of these long term unemployed, long term sick, unemployed young ppl going to do when there isn’t enough work to go around for the folk that actually want a job?

    I remember the tories the last ime around and they created loads of unemployment and then blamed the unemployed for it.

    #387525
    sberrysberry
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    No, it wasn’t a nonsense, it was a valid question from another forumite who’s thoughts and opinions are surely as valid as yours?

    Rather than take the words literally look at what they are saying in that the government has made it very clear they will be addressing the issue of over a million and a half britons who say they cannot work and wish us to pay them for the rest of their lives.

    Part of a way to re-introduce people back into the labour market is to help them experience a work place environment – it doesn’t have to be a real job, it just has to look and feel like one, though it equally can be a real job – this will create jobs actually.

    Whether they can or cannot work is another question – can they do their own shopping, go to the post office themselves? If so, they can commute. Can they sit down at home or in a coffee shop? If so they can sit at a desk. Do they use the internet and/or use a phone, can they talk to people, can they take their shopping home and put it in the cupboard?

    If so, they can work.

    The scheme will help some people into work and remove some claimants from the system who should not be claiming, in which case it is good.

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