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Would Godolphin not be under a lot of pressure to run their unbeaten colt in the World Cup on home soil?
I think there must however be a connection as to the 3 for 42 and that the other 8 runners on World Cup day got beaten about a combined 120 lengths.
How about suggesting that the new Tapeta training surface at Al Quoz isn’t suited to a desert climate. What works for Michael Dicknson in Maryland might not suit horses trained in Dubai.
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Very interesting point of view put forward by Sheikh Hamdan here.<br>It seems that he believes Discreet Cat was beaten by the tactics adopted rather than any infirmity, and apparently predicted so before the race.<br>Has the ring of truth about it too imo, not least because of when it was said rather than used afterwards as a convenience.
Quote: from reet hard on 9:39 pm on April 3, 2007[br]Very interesting point of view put forward by Sheikh Hamdan here.<br>It seems that he believes Discreet Cat was beaten by the tactics adopted rather than any infirmity, and apparently predicted so before the race.<br>Has the ring of truth about it too imo, not least because of when it was said rather than used afterwards as a convenience.
Discreet Cat would never have won on Saturday no matter how he was ridden, imo.
And I can’t believe Hamdan criticism of Jara – a jockey who rides one hell of a lot better than the retained Richard Hills.
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The original point of my post was that Discreet Cat was ridden in such a manner as not to be seen to his best, and, as a horse that wins his races by his stride as much as his speed, he was handicapped by not being able to use a considerable strength.<br>What effect that had on the outcome, or indeed the throat infection, can only be a matter of conjecture, but Sheikh Hamdan did call it before the race, which imo makes it much more credible than the somewhat inevitable aftermath.
Regarding his criticism of Jara, I feel the point he was making was that the horse should have won more easily, and that the jockey may have jeapordised his chance with his showboating.<br>Fair enough, the horse won well, but as Sheikh H is a better horseman than I’ll ever be, I would be prepared to accept his view, that the jockey could have done it better,
Quote: from reet hard on 7:15 am on April 4, 2007[br]The original point of my post was that Discreet Cat was ridden in such a manner as not to be seen to his best, and, as a horse that wins his races by his stride as much as his speed, he was handicapped by not being able to use a considerable strength.<br>What effect that had on the outcome, or indeed the throat infection, can only be a matter of conjecture, but Sheikh Hamdan did call it before the race, which imo makes it much more credible than the somewhat inevitable aftermath. <br>
I can’t believe that Godolphin went into the race with a definite plan to hold the horse up way off the pace. Surely race tactics are best left to the jockey to decide for him/herself as the race develops and once the pace of the race has been established ?
Whatever, I haven’t seen the sectionals, but the final time of the race was pretty fast (sub 2 mins for 10 furlongs) even for a speed track such as NaS, which suggests to me that a top-of-his-game Discreet Cat would have been able to at least pick off some – or even most – of the stragglers in the lane, which he obviously wasn’t able to do.
There are rumors abound that DC is becoming increasingly difficult to train. Personally, I’m looking at this and/or his throat infection for his WC eclipse.
Kandidate’s a much better horse than your giving him credit for, I also think he’s a better horse on dirt surface..
DC’s a hype horse as far as i’m concerned. Bit like Dubawi was the next pegasus…
Not necessarily, but I don’t think DC is a better horse than Invasor and I don’t think even if he had been given the right ride and the ideal prep he would have won. Neither do I think he’s 40lb clear of Kandidate (Horse has improved with age in my eyes and is a solid group two horse now over 8-10f). Round Kemptons all weather I don’t think there would be more than about 4-5 lengths in it!!
This is a classic case of a big money stable talking their top horse up and people assuming that as its a top yard it must be a wonder horse.
I don’t think DC is a better horse than Invasor
That’s an entirely different argument, and one I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with after Saturday – but because of what Invasor did, not what Discreet Cat didn’t do.
Neither do I think he’s 40lb clear of Kandidate
That’s not what I said – Discreet Cat was rated 41 lbs below his best on Saturday.
This is a classic case of a big money stable talking their top horse up and people assuming that as its a top yard it must be a wonder horse.
It’s really not.
(Apologies for the quoting, doesn’t seem to want to work properly)
(Edited by Gareth Flynn at 11:59 am on April 4, 2007)
Quote: from Aragorn on 11:43 am on April 4, 2007[br]Not necessarily, but I don’t think DC is a better <br>horse than Invasor and I don’t think even if he had been given the right ride and the ideal prep he would have won.
You may be right in thinking that, hopefully we will find out
Neither do I think he’s 40lb clear of Kandidate (Horse has improved with age in my eyes and is a solid group two horse now over 8-10f). Round Kemptons all weather I don’t think there would be more than about 4-5 lengths in it!!
<br>You can’t guarantee a horse will be ridden to it’s optimum, but I’d be backing DC 10L+ if DC was right and price were summat like
This is a classic case of a big money stable talking their top horse up and people assuming that as its a top yard it must be a wonder horse.
<br>read they thought he was a good horse, it’s the press who hype horses and races
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Like Gareth, i can’t get the quote to work right
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(Edited by empty wallet at 12:40 pm on April 4, 2007)
You need to put
at the beginning then
at the end of each piece of text..
I hope we do find out…
Quote: from Aragorn on 10:38 am on April 4, 2007[br]Maybe he just isn’t good enough? <br>
Unbelievable.
Perhaps your ignornance stems from the fact that race analysis is still in the dark ages in UK.
(Edited by ClintM at 10:28 pm on April 4, 2007)
Quote: from ClintM on 10:26 pm on April 4, 2007[br]<br> race analysis is still in the dark ages in UK.
Off topic, but in what way Clint ?
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Quote: from ClintM on 10:26 pm on April 4, 2007
Unbelievable.<br>Perhaps your ignornance stems from the fact that race analysis is still in the dark ages in UK.<br>
ClintM
Some would say wisdom stems from appreciating one’s own ignorance?;)
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